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In a recent publication of U.S. News and World Report, David Gergen wrote an editorial titled "An Unfair Attack". In the article he issues a rebuttal to an article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walttitles {"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"}. Gergen states the following: "In essence, their 82-page piece argues that U.S. policy in the Middle East has been hijacked by a pro-Israel "Lobby." "The core of the Lobby," they say, "is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." As a result, "the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel." I agree with Mearsheimer and Walttitles.

Back in 1948 when the Jewish state of Israel was created, the United States and Britain agreed to allow it to exist in its present place of location. Evidently no thought was given to the long term effects of creating such a state in the middle of so many Arab countries. It would have been wiser to use this land to create a place where all three major religions could visit to practice their faiths but not be allowed to reside their. The State of Israel should have been established anywhere but the Middle East. Consequently, the United States has obligated itself to support a so-called democratic Jewish state against potential threats from the Arab monarchial dictatorships. This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well. Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen." Still further, while the Jews advocate diversity in the United States, only those born into Jewish families may attain citizenship in Israel. Mearsheimer and Walttitles are right and therefore the United States should withdraw from its support of Israel. Perhaps then will the so-called chosen people wisen up and learn to get along peacefully with the rest of the world.

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This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well. Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen."

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By the way, regarding that Talmud "quote"...

There's never a shortage of anti-Semitic forgeries out there, nor of useful imbeciles like yourself to spread them.

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Jesus was a Jewish heretic wasn't he?

So in theory, he could be boiling in semen as we speak. The Talmud doesn't say it's NOT Jesus.

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He then went and raised Balaam by incantations. He asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them? He replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.1 He then asked: What is your punishment? He replied: With boiling hot semen.2 He then went and raised by incantations the sinners of Israel.3 He asked them: Who is in repute in the other world? They replied: Israel. What about joining them? They replied: Seek their welfare, seek not their harm. Whoever touches them touches the apple of his eye. He said: What is your punishment? They replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement. Observe the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the other nations who worship idols. It has been taught: Note from this incident how serious a thing it is to put a man to shame, for God espoused the cause of Bar Kamza and destroyed His House and burnt His Temple.

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I had a Seder dinner on Wednesday with one of my girl's religion professors. It was enlightening. Something that struck me, though, was how their tradition regarding the exodus is so much a part of their ritual in the present. They celebrate the exodus and dedicate at least some part of the night going over the plagues on Egypt that followed. They burn leavened bread as a denunciation of all things Egypt (and in the professor's mind, capitalistic). Even though Islam in Egypt today is far different from the Egyptians of 4000 years ago, these rituals must still have some effect. No wonder Muslims and Jews conflict.

He calls the exodus the first Socialist revolution. Slaves of Egypt unite. Free yourselves of these bonds and move on to the egalitarian, Marxist utopia of Israel.

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God forbid we should ever question the Jews.

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Christ in ice.

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I always like "Jeus H-on-a-jumped-up-chariot-driven-crutch Christ!"

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"The Talmud doesn't say it's NOT Jesus". Doesn't say it's not Sammy Davis Jr. or Melvin Fudpucker either; so I guess inserting their names into the text and spewing it out onto as many message boards as you can spam is just fine and dandy, right?

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.

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Alright, Coincidence. What is the proper response to the expression of imbecilic bigotry, exactly?

In the first thread on this topic, I argued that the "study" in question would provide cover to irrational anti-Semites, and I was taken to task for being paranoid.

Now, two weeks later, here we have--who could have predicted it--an irrational anti-Semite using the study as intellectual cover to post some of the vilest swill ever to appear on this board. It's not like I went off on some all-caps twenty page tirade in response; I went with humor and with a link disproving the more ludicrous of the claims. And apparently that makes me paranoid and defensive.

Take a look at that original post. Take a good long look. Is my general protectiveness of Israel really so all-pervasive and annoying that it outweighs THAT shit? Are my views really the ones that need fighting with here?

At what point is it actually OK for people to voice opposition to idiocy? And through what tactics? Help me out here, I genuinely don't get it.

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You all do realize that you are responding to spam, right?

Although, the Asylum deserves kudos for making it to number two on what will be a long list of Mr. Bialek's sharing. Nice to know that we are living up to our reputation of being number two.

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You all do realize that you are responding to spam, right?.

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Take a look at that original post. Take a good long look. Is my general protectiveness of Israel really so all-pervasive and annoying that it outweighs THAT shit? Are my views really the ones that need fighting with here?

At what point is it actually OK for people to voice opposition to idiocy? And through what tactics? Help me out here, I genuinely don't get it.

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only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic

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everyone hates Carthaginians

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only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic

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only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic

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'Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket' is the best of them.

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