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Want to reduce governent spending? Raise taxes.

WTF?

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Don't Feed the Beast
Bush Should End This Tax Cut Myth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...6050700924.html
By Sebastian Mallaby
Monday, May 8, 2006; Page A19

George W. Bush is not the sort of president who reads journals such as the Atlantic Monthly. But at least someone at the White House should check out the piece in the new issue by Jonathan Rauch. For honest believers in tax cuts, it's devastating.

It's been a long time since honest believers argued that tax cuts pay for themselves. When you have extremely high rates of taxation -- say, 70 percent-plus -- there may be something to this claim: When rates are that high, the rich go to extraordinary lengths to evade taxes and aren't motivated to earn more, so it's not crazy to argue that tax cuts might boost tax receipts. But you have to go back to the 1970s to find tax rates that high. When the top income tax bracket is in the 30 to 40 percent range, nobody serious believes that tax cuts change behavior enough to pay for themselves.

Instead, tax cutters have clung to a separate faith: that tax cuts will force matching cuts in spending by the government. It's a faith that Rauch traces to the presidential debates of 1980. "John tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes," Ronald Reagan declared in reply to the independent candidate, John Anderson. "Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."

Ever since that debate, the "starve the beast" argument has been a favorite of Republicans. It's an expedient argument, of course, since it justifies the tax cuts that voters are assumed to love. But even the most nakedly cynical politicians need policy fig leaves. "Starve the beast" has allowed tax cutters to feel decent.

Or at least half decent. Everybody knows that the Reagan tax cuts did not actually cause spending to come down in the 1980s; most people have surely noticed that the Bush I and Clinton tax hikes were followed by spending constraint in the 1990s; and the Bush II tax cuts certainly have not stopped Congress from spending like a drunken sailor recently. But then the plural of anecdote is not data, and until the starve-the-beast theory is conclusively discredited, tax cutters won't stop hiding behind it.

Well, now it has been discredited. Rauch cites William Niskanen, an economist who worked in the Reagan White House and now chairs the Cato Institute???. Niskanen has crunched the numbers between 1981 and 2005, testing for a relationship between tax cuts and government spending, and controlling for levels of unemployment, since these affect spending and taxes independently. Niskanen's result punctures his own party's dogma. Tax cuts are associated with increases in government spending. The best strategy for forcing cuts in government is actually to raise taxes.

One can speculate about why this is. Maybe cutting taxes before cutting spending makes government feel cheap: People are still getting all the services they want, but they are paying less for them. Maybe this illusory cheapening has a perverse effect: Now that government feels like a bargain, people want more of it. But the really interesting question isn't why the starve-the-beast theory is 180 degrees wrong. It's how Republicans will react to this finding.

Just consider the events of last week. On Monday the government reported that Medicare's trust fund would run out of cash in 2018, 12 years earlier than was estimated when Bush came to office. It further reported that Social Security's trust fund would run out in 2040, one year earlier than last year's projection. "The systems are going broke," Bush commented, sagely. "And now is the time to do something about it."

So what exactly did Bush do? He pressed Congress to extend his tax cuts, thus depriving the government of money it might otherwise have used to plug the holes in Medicare and Social Security. In a world with a viable starve-the-beast theory, this might have been okay: Tax cuts could be presented as a way to force the government to cut spending and maybe even to reform entitlements. But if that fig leaf is gone, how can the administration feel decent?

Right on cue, the Senate followed up its agreement to extend tax cuts with a $109 billion spending bill, complete with money to compensate New England shell fishermen for a red-tide outbreak. In the wake of Rauch's Atlantic article, the way the president responds to this sort of egregious spending bill is going to be interesting. Will he have the guts to veto them? Or will he stand like the proverbial emperor, naked in the public square?



Sounds like "Pay as you go" is the best way to restrain government because the party in power will have to deal with consequences in the now instead of using glib defences like deficits don't matter and putting voter resentment on layaway.

PS. anyone who has a subscription to the Atlantic can read the article cited here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200606/tax-cuts

I don't and I'd be interested to hear impressions of it from someone who does.

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I agree that budgets should balance, and if that means higher taxes, while that's a lot worse than lower spending, it's a lot better than high spending and deficit budgets, which is what the GOP Congress and President have given us.

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Re: Want to reduce governent spending? Raise taxes.

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Originally posted by Thimbles worth of opinion

Sounds like "Pay as you go" is the best way to restrain government because the party in power will have to deal with consequences in the now instead of using glib defences like deficits don't matter and putting voter resentment on layaway.



Not coincidentally, the Democrats released a "If we took back a house of Congress in 2006, here is what we would do first" shadow agenda last week, and of the five things, #3 was reinstall "pay as you go" rules, coupled with rolling back a swath of Bush's tax cuts.

Andrew Sullivan, who for once sounds like me (more than I sound like him):

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"At some point, we have got to stop this madness here in Washington D.C. ... The American people are as mad at us about driving this country economically off the edge as any one thing ... What we’re doing to this country is almost criminal," - Republican senator, Chuck Hagel, on the GOP's fiscal insanity.

With the Democrats' now pledging to restore the pay-as-you-go principle in Congressional appropriations - i.e. every new spending increase has to be balanced by a tax increase - it's clear which party formally represents fiscal conservatism. Whether the Democrats deliver is another matter. But one thing we know: the GOP hasn't delivered. They have spent and borrowed at rates that fully merit the "criminal" rhetoric now lobbed by their own side. They deserve to be punished. Kick them out.



He's right, of course. There is no "both parties are equally bad on fiscal responsibility" argument anymore, I don't think (Jr disagrees, Republican that he is).

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I don't think that Hagel really has it right; I don't think that the American people are that mad (although many are unhappy), for some bizarre reason. Either they buy the Cheney 'deficits don't matter' line or they don't understand how debt works (and the state of the personal finances of America might support the latter).

It seems to me that while Congressional popularity is in the shitter, everyone will pick their favourite political topics and say 'not doing X, Y, Z is why we're so unpopular'. If Coburn gets pork battered down, he'll probably be back to railing against gay sex as the real reason for the ills of the world.

Sullivan is right that the GOP have had their chance and demonstrated that they never meant any of the things that they said. Whether or not the Democrats would deliver is another thing, although even if you doubt it, the GOP have to be punished in the only way that politicians care about, by being un-elected. Hopefully a spell in opposition would allow them to remember who they are supposed to be.

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70% of Americans think Saddam was involved in 9/11; of course they don't know how debts work.
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This Niskanen guy also made the argument a few years back that, though divided houses may not stand, the budgets they make are slim and sexy.
http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-07-03.html

You wanna starve the goverment? Put people who hate eachother in a room to make policy. They'll be spending too much time spitting vitrol at eachother to spend money on shit those "other bastards" will never approve anyways.

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No place to put this, but I like it. Peggy Noonan:

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The Republicans talk about cutting spending, but they increase it - a lot. They stand for making government smaller, but they keep making it bigger. They say they're concerned about our borders, but they're not securing them. And they seem to think we're slobs for worrying. Republicans used to be sober and tough about foreign policy, but now they're sort of romantic and full of emotionalism. They talk about cutting taxes, and they have, but the cuts are provisional, temporary. Beyond that, there's something creepy about increasing spending so much and not paying the price right away but instead rolling it over and on to our kids, and their kids.


Particularly about the foreign policy line.

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In a sense, the New Republicans are the Old Democrats.

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