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Nutrimentia
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chimp-fucker!

Our human ancestors were still interbreeding with their chimp cousins long after first splitting from the chimpanzee lineage, a genetic study suggests. Early humans and chimps may even have hybridised completely before diverging a second time. If so, some of the earliest fossils of proto-humans might represent an abortive first attempt to diverge from chimps, rather than being our direct ancestors.

Not that most people need reminding, but chimps are black, yo.

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So, what you're saying is that some of us evolved and became white and others just lost fur?

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Re: chimp-fucker!

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Not that most people need reminding, but chimps are black, yo.




Not really.

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i have read somewhere that if a human fucks a monkey, monkey is dieing...
mom says, she went to zoo while she was pregnant to me and that's why i look like a monkey, dunno maybe my dad was a silver back gorilla eheh.. i'm going far from the subject again but family is a matter that drags my brains, the role of family in social life of the self etc.

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chimps and gorrillas are white skinned with black fur.

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I recently saw some show about mitochondrial DNA passed through the maternal line, and how it shows the spread of humans around the world and the origin of races.

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I had lecture recenetly about some of that. Some of the conclusions are based on the idea that mDNA is not subject to the pressures of natural selection, which is not necessarily the case.

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http://www.newscientist.com/data/im...190255259A2.wav

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quote:
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chimps and gorrillas are white skinned with black fur.

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silverback and skin weathered by decades of exposure and knuckle dragging notwithstanding. And I said fur, i should have said hair.

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HIV's Ancestry Traced to Wild Chimps
May 25 2:02 PM US/Eastern
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By LAURAN NEERGAARD
AP Medical Writer

WASHINGTON

Twenty-five years after the first AIDS cases emerged, scientists have confirmed that the HIV virus plaguing humans really did originate in wild chimpanzees, in a corner of Cameroon.

Solving the mystery of HIV's ancestry was dirty work. Scientists employed trackers to plunge through dense jungle and collect the fresh feces of wild apes _ more than 1,300 samples in all.

Before that, it took seven years of research just to develop the testing methods to genetically trace the primate version of the virus in living wild chimps without hurting the endangered species.

Until now, "no one was able to look. No one had the tools," said Dr. Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama at Birmingham. She led the team of international researchers that reported the success in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

"We're 25 years into this pandemic," Hahn said. "We don't have a cure. We don't have a vaccine. But we know where it came from. At least we can make a check mark on one of those."

Scientists long have known that nonhuman primates carry their own version of the AIDS virus, called SIV or simian immunodeficiency virus. But with one exception, it had been found only in captive chimpanzees, particularly a subspecies that in the wild populates mostly West Africa.

It was not known how prevalent the virus was in chimps in the wild, or how genetically or geographically diverse it was, complicating efforts to pin down the jump from animal to man.

Hahn's team tested chimp feces for SIV antibodies, finding them in a subspecies called Pan troglodytes troglodytes in southern Cameroon.

Chimps tend to form geographically distinct communities. By genetically analyzing the feces, researchers could trace individual infected chimps. The team found some chimp communities with infection rates as high as 35 percent, while others had no infection at all.

Every single infected chimp had a common base genetic pattern that indicated a common ancestor, Hahn said.

There are three types of HIV-1, the strain of the human virus responsible for most of the worldwide epidemic. Genetic analysis let Hahn identify chimp communities near Cameroon's Sanaga River whose viral strains are most closely related to the most common of those HIV-1 subtypes.

"The genetic similarity was striking," Hahn said.

The first human known to be infected with HIV was a man from Kinshasa in the nearby country of Congo who had his blood stored in 1959 as part of a medical study, decades before scientists knew the AIDS virus existed.

Presumably, someone in rural Cameroon was bitten by a chimp or was cut while butchering one and became infected with the ape virus. That person passed it to someone else.

The Sanaga River long has been a commercial waterway, for transporting hardwood, ivory and other items to more urban areas. Eventually, someone infected made it to Kinshasa.

"How many different transmission events occurred between that initial hunter and this virus making it to Kinshasa, I don't know. It could have been one, it could have been 10, it could have been 100," Hahn said. "Eventually, it ended up in an urban area, and that's where it really got going."

Somewhere in all that spread, the virus became more deadly to people than it is to chimps, who seldom are bothered much by SIV.

The research seems to settle any question of HIV's origin, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the National Institutes of Health's AIDS chief.

When tracing a virus' evolution, "it's important to get as close to the source as you can," he said. "It's of historic interest."


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Presumably, someone in rural Cameroon was bitten by a chimp or was cut while butchering one and became infected with the ape virus.


OR that person was a chimp-fucker!

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