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To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?

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Originally posted by Jeitarium
To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?

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How did we lose again? They have just finalized an official cabinet.

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WE ARE NOT AT WAR!
We are occupying or something.

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We Americans don't think about such things. We prefer to think about the Iraqi children enjoying their first experience in Iraq's new water park, with seperate areas for boys and girls.

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Heh.

This ain't war, this is messy nation building and policing criminals.

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Originally posted by Jeitarium
To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?

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If you really want to bring home the solid argumentation you should have added "neener, neener" in there somewhere

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How did we lose again? They have just finalized an official cabinet.

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Originally posted by skalie
Who is we?

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Originally posted by Jeitarium
To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?

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But I can say with confidence that making a statement like the one above, boiling war down to a simple "win / lose" scenario equivalant to a boardgame, is the most ignorant and shallow statement made in a while.

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That picture compliments my argument.

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Indeed, it has been a while.

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Be patient. He was elected in a zero year.

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To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?

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Who is we?

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Originally posted by Cruise Director
I've never claimed to be smart. I've never poked around Politicas to any great extent. But I can say with confidence that making a statement like the one above, boiling war down to a simple "win / lose" scenario equivalant to a boardgame, is the most ignorant and shallow statement made in a while.

Any loss of life is bad. Would it be any better if the dead are on the "winning" team?

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The objectives of the war have changed, but it seemed like the original objective was to depose the Hussein regime. That objective was certainly accomplished.

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Yes it seems that was the only objective. Due to incompetence, the objective didn't line up with the conclusion. The Mission Accomplished speech, combined with the Downing Street Memo, demonstrates the complete lack of a plan for post invasion. Idiots.

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It was to replace the Hussein regime with a stable democratic government, I would say, Tal. Just 'depose Saddam' would be a pretty damn risky objective, given what might follow.

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Americans don't lose wars. We just lose interest.

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Jeit, NOBODY wins a war. Especially those men and women brave enough to fight in it while people like YOU and ME talk about it on a web forum, using playground-style baiting like: "To Americans: How does it feel to have your nation go to war lose $, lose life, lose time, and accomplish nothing?"

And I'd like to know how you reached your conclusions that we the allies have accomplished nothing. Surely there is a long way to go but to say nothing has been accomplished?

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And while were at it, do you not think there will be an effect on Canada monetarily for this? The entire free World will be spending cash on this bad boy before it's all said and done.

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It seems to me that even if the gains thus far are, in net, negative (and that's not a settled issue by any means), that needn't mean that the end result will be a net negative (although I wouldn't bet against it, either, and that would, in the end analysis, be something like a 'loss').

And one side certainly can win a war, I think, although simple 'win/loss' adjudication is going to miss out on a lot of interesting stuff. It can be, perhaps, that two opposing sides can both get some sort of win (in that their opposition might be a consequence of their respective objectives rather than the end in itself; in that case, it might be that partial achievement of ojectives is achievable for both sides). I would say (although I'm not any sort of expert) that Vietnam was a pretty clear loss, WW2 a pretty clear win (both for the US), but maybe Iraq will turn out pretty complicated.

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