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http://www.courant.com/news/local/h...-headlines-home

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A former high school teacher facing sexual assault charges says his arrest on suspicion of having sexual relations with a student violates a fundamental right guaranteed by both the state and federal constitutions.

Matthew Glasser, a former music teacher at Northwest Catholic High School, was arrested last year under a provision of the state's criminal code that makes having sex with students a crime, even if the student has reached 16 - the age of consent.

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Advocates for such laws argue that because teachers have so much sway, students are not truly able to consent.

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They certainly should be clearer about which adults aren't allowed to have sexual relations.

Banging a student is unprofessional, and clearly a firing offence, but a crime? There are other situations where one adult has a great deal of sway over another, but it wouldn't be a crime if they were to have sex.

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like cops and priests

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Or rentboys and Congressmen.
I'm just sayin'

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or cops and robbers

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And there are yet others situations in which one adult exercises auithority over another, but sexual relations between them are a criminal offense. Specifically, jailers with prisoners, guards with inmates. When your presence in a situation is compelled by law, as a students presence in the classroom may well be, then those in authority over them should be criminally liable for abusing their authority.

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I thought that students could drop out of High School at 16?

That's how it works in the UK, where there are quite strict rules about school attendance.

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And there are yet others situations in which one adult exercises auithority over another, but sexual relations between them are a criminal offense. Specifically, jailers with prisoners, guards with inmates. When your presence in a situation is compelled by law, as a students presence in the classroom may well be, then those in authority over them should be criminally liable for abusing their authority.

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I thought that students could drop out of High School at 16?

That's how it works in the UK, where there are quite strict rules about school attendance.

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So it should be illegal for an officer in the army to have sex with someone under his command?

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unless it's a part of the contract, like in the navy.

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illegal and worth getting fired over are not the same thing.

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So it should be illegal for an officer in the army to have sex with someone under his command?

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This is indeed the case, or was when I was in the military. Sexual liaisons between superiors and subordinates was against military law.

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A relationship between two consenting parties is predicated upon approximate equality of the parties. A teacher in a classroom setting exercises authority over the students in his or her care under tutelage. That authority relationship is not confined to the classroom, ordinarily, and is frequently overtly extended outside the classroom to school sponsored activities even outside the bounds of the school property and schedule.

Seperating authority from the person exercising to an abstract as nebulous as the institution from which it is derived is a concept many mature adults have difficulty with, let alone an adolescent. In the circumstances as given, who consented, and was the consent knowingly and freely given?

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The authority you're sneering at is more a psychological one. It doesn't affect every student, but there are some who it does. And it leaves room for abuse.
Simon's point is valid.

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It's certainly unprofessional. But should sexual relations with an individual who is legally allowed to have them and who is not there by compulsion (as is the case in some states, it seems, and is the case in the UK) be against the law?

There is talk, in the UK, however, of amending the law to actually make it illegal for such relations between teachers and students, lawyers and clients and doctors and patients (all of which, at the moment, will just get you fired/struck off). "abuse of position' in itself isn't criminal, so you have to show that this, pretty much 100% of the time, meets the criteria for sexual abuse, it seems to me, to make such a law logical, because what you're doing is expanding government control over who can have sex and when.

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The authority you're sneering at is more a psychological one. It doesn't affect every student, but there are some who it does. And it leaves room for abuse.
Simon's point is valid.

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Because it's for the children! If just one child can be saved, one child! Then we have done our duties!

Sorry -- I think the teachers should be fired without recommendation, and fully accept the fact that other schools won't want to hire them. I agree with Smug that laws are already in place to protect those in clearly abusive situations, however.

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So does this mean if you blow a cop to get out of a ticket,it's wrong?

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Only for the cop, LF ... blow away. Then, you can sue later for "abuse."

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But I already saved enough money......woah! I can get more.
I could retire.

...and I have my shirt as proof!

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