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US Gives Up Hunt for Osama.

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WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."

The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.

"The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus."

The decision to close the unit was first reported Monday by National Public Radio.

Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was.

Mr. Scheuer said that view was mistaken.

"This will clearly denigrate our operations against Al Qaeda," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and Al Qaeda appear to be treated merely as first among equals."

In recent years, the war in Iraq has stretched the resources of the intelligence agencies and the Pentagon, generating new priorities for American officials. For instance, much of the military's counterterrorism units, like the Army's Delta Force, had been redirected from the hunt for Mr. bin Laden to the search for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed last month in Iraq.

An intelligence official who was granted anonymity to discuss classified information said the closing of the bin Laden unit reflected a greater grasp of the organization. "Our understanding of Al Qaeda has greatly evolved from where it was in the late 1990's," the official said, but added, "There are still people who wake up every day with the job of trying to find bin Laden."

Established in 1996, when Mr. bin Laden's calls for global jihad were a source of increasing concern for officials in Washington, Alec Station operated in a similar fashion to that of other agency stations around the globe.

The two dozen staff members who worked at the station, which was named after Mr. Scheuer's son and was housed in leased offices near agency headquarters in northern Virginia, issued regular cables to the agency about Mr. bin Laden's growing abilities and his desire to strike American targets throughout the world.

In his book "Ghost Wars," which chronicles the agency's efforts to hunt Mr. bin Laden in the years before the Sept. 11 attacks, Steve Coll wrote that some inside the agency likened Alec Station to a cult that became obsessed with Al Qaeda.

"The bin Laden unit's analysts were so intense about their work that they made some of their C.I.A. colleagues uncomfortable," Mr. Coll wrote. Members of Alec Station "called themselves 'the Manson Family' because they had acquired a reputation for crazed alarmism about the rising Al Qaeda threat."

Intelligence officials said Alec Station was disbanded after Robert Grenier, who until February was in charge of the Counterterrorist Center, decided the agency needed to reorganize to better address constant changes in terrorist organizations.

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Re: US Gives Up Hunt for Osama.

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President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."




they promised...i want my money back

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Bush was never serious about catching bin Laden anyway.

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well... it is a logical trend given this:

quote:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01


quote:
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


Never forget, eh?
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Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened.


Where in that do you see that we have given up looking for the man that the NYT has endorsed as a Presidential candidate in '08?

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He's dead.

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Where in that do you see that we have given up looking for the man that the NYT has endorsed as a Presidential candidate in '08?


The part where they disbanded the flagship task force and reassigned the agents that have been on the case for ten years.

Boy, for fashioning yourself as a cynic you sure aren't very good at decoding even the most obvious beurocratic doublespeak.

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well... it is a logical trend given this:

*quotes*

Never forget, eh?
-m



on closer inspection these two seem to be misquotes... so no dice.

well, there's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again

yeah
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The part where they disbanded the flagship task force and reassigned the agents that have been on the case for ten years.

Boy, for fashioning yourself as a cynic you sure aren't very good at decoding even the most obvious beurocratic doublespeak.



For fashioning yourself as a smart boy you sure aren't very good at observing even the most obvious.

CR is correct.

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i want to see his head on a pike... on the white house lawn...

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Oh, I see. And we just didn't want to say anything publically You've got it all figured.

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i want to see his head on a pike... on the white house lawn...


I am sure you do. As would he and most of his followers in the event of his death. As politically expedient as such a coup might seem, it would have a far more negative impact for the US going forward than the unmarked grave where OBL now lies.

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Oh, I see. And we just didn't want to say anything publically You've got it all figured.


Ah, so you trust the government now? Please. Yes, he is dead, and has been for some time. Perhaps you would like to make a wager?

"Capturing or killing bin Laden" would serve no purpose. If "captured or killed", Bush would get a temporary nod of approval from his critics and then they would move on to the next reason to hate him. Meanwhile, bin Laden would be a martyr among the savages that follow him.

Nope, why satisfy his followers here and abroad by giving them the firebrand they need to stave off their inevitable extinction?

The Left will have to find a new poster boy I'm afraid. Have no fear, they will.

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So your contention is that the US killed ibn Laden and have since covered it up? That even as the president was was promising his people and the world that he was doing everything in his power to bring him to justice, he knew that in fact ibn Laden was already dead, and he just wasn't going to let the cat out of the bag ever?

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So your contention is that the US killed ibn Laden and have since covered it up? That even as the president was was promising his people and the world that he was doing everything in his power to bring him to justice, he knew that in fact ibn Laden was already dead, and he just wasn't going to let the cat out of the bag ever?

Not saying that such is in fact true (I've no idea, personally, nor do I much care), but such double-dealing and obfuscation of "facts" would be entirely consistent with virtually every act GWB has taken since stealing his seat in the Oval office.

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So your contention is that the US killed ibn Laden and have since covered it up? That even as the president was was promising his people and the world that he was doing everything in his power to bring him to justice, he knew that in fact ibn Laden was already dead, and he just wasn't going to let the cat out of the bag ever?


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Not saying that such is in fact true (I've no idea, personally, nor do I much care), but such double-dealing and obfuscation of "facts" would be entirely consistent with virtually every act GWB has taken since stealing his seat in the Oval office.


Trust me, it's not GWB's capacity for dishonesty that I'm doubting here.

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Boy, for fashioning yourself as a cynic you sure aren't very good at decoding even the most obvious beurocratic doublespeak.


what about bureaucratic double-speak? ehhhh?

and what's up with that flag? what is that? italy? iraq? so many people use those fucking colors.

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my hopes for the where's osama? board game are diminishing.

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There's been a lot of intelligence info that he was wounded, perhaps severely, at Tora Bora. Whether he's dead or not, it does seem that he's not the threat he once was, and it's sensible to reassign personnel to other threats.

He could prove me wrong, but I doubt it. Whatever else may be said about the war on terror, it is achieving its objective of preventing attacks on the mainland. I'd have thought we'd have had a successful one by now.

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I'm not knocking the base thinking here--I've said all along that "terrorism" is not a figureheaded endeavor, tactically, and I think any expert will tell you that the entire organization, such as it is, is much more a hydra than popular rhetoric gives it credit for (observe my responses to the Al Zargawi thread).

However, can you imagine if that same line came from, say, a Democratic presidential candidate two years ago? "I don't really care if we get Osama or not. I think it's much more a regional criminal threat. I say, abandon the programs focused on Bin Laden and disperse them to more generalized agendas." Actually, that's pretty darn close to what a number of critics of the conduct of the GWOT did say, and got roundly filleted for it.

Finding Osama wouldn't be as great a blow to the practical threat of terrorism as Bush's own rhetoric (up to the last couple of years) would seem to indicate, but that's not to say either that it isn't important, if for no other reason than bringing him to justice for past crimes. But, the bottom line, and the reason I snarkily posted it, is it certainly represents a stepping off of what we were lead to believe was a central goal. The GWOT architects started off by orchestrating massive public support for all sorts of things laregly on the basis of stuff like "we need to get Osama Bin Laden", and then as the years have worn on their spearhead goals and initiatives have been essentially abandoned even while their powergrabs and institutional restructuring has become both more dissimenated and broad-sweeping, both more concrete and less focused at the same time. One of the reasons why I've added that quote to my sig.

Osama Bin Laden => Taliban => Al Queda => Iraq and freedom haters? => ?

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