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Talarohk
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One problem with San Diego...

I really love my new job, but I have very mixed feelings about where I live. I live in Oceanside, which is about 35 miles north of San Diego. The article being cited below is about the Grossmont school district, which is roughly in the area indicated. However, the ethos applies to much of the San Diego area, and certainly to Oceanside.



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SAN DIEGO, Calif. -- A local high school sexual education project has been rejected by school administrators because it is "too controversial," NBC 7/39 reported.

Three Valhalla High School students said they were told by school administrators their assigned project that deals with educating students about sexually transmitted diseases would not be allowed to be presented on campus because it is too controversial.

Students Jamie Williams and Matt Stahl, along with another student, said the name of their project was, "No Glove, No Love." Williams said it dealt with the lack of a comprehensive subject matter in sex education programs in schools.

But they said they didn't expect school administrators to offer them an A grade on the project in one breath, and in the next, say the students were not allowed to complete it.

The students told NBC 7/39 the school's two vice principals rejected three written proposals on the assigned subject, all of which their teacher supported.

The students also said one vice principal told them the main reason for rejecting their work was because "we want to keep Valhalla's name out of the headlines, especially if it has to do with teen sexuality."

A school representative told NBC 7/39 that like all schools in the Grossmont Union High School District, Valhalla follows an abstinence-only policy.

However, the teens said it doesn't work and that's what needs to change.

Stahl said that by teaching teens about sex, he hopes it would help kids learn about it, instead of rebelling and not abstaining.

The students have contacted senators and congressmen and are trying to get a petition on campus to expand the school's sex education curriculum.

The high school trio calls the act "censorship" and said STDs are on the rise on campus and "the school should help students deal with the problem."


This makes me absolutely furious. I am all for parents being able to raise their children with whatever moral basis they like, and to teach them how to make choices consistent with that basis. But to have a policy in which a school actively prohibits the dissemination of perfectly valid biological information of direct health relevance to students is criminal.

A well-designed health curriculum should point out that abstinence is the only absolutely effective method of avoiding pregnancy and STDs, and should accurately represent the failure rates and risks associated with all forms of contraception and protection. To not only leave out information on non-abstinence methods (bad enough in itself), but to also take specific action to prevent students from learning about them, is a serious perversion of education.

I would support a private school's right to take such action, although I would condemn it as foolish and counterproductive. But this is a public school.

Even if you have a student who decides to abstain until marriage, they will *still* need to know this information for their own protection. I am really having trouble understanding the rationale behind denying students access to information like this. Can anyone explain this to me?

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I really thought this was going to be about the San Onofre power plant's potential to explode.

Do you think those same parents who complain about the controversial health education also try to shield their children's eyes from the nuclear reactors because they resemble giant breasts?

Just wonderin'...


Oh, and I'd try to shed some light on this if there was anything rational to say at all about school systems, but I just don't think there is anymore.

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I really thought this was going to be about the San Onofre power plant's potential to explode.

Do you think those same parents who complain about the controversial health education also try to shield their children's eyes from the nuclear reactors because they resemble giant breasts?

Ha ha! It's so true.

For those of you who've never seen it, the San Onofre nuclear power plant has two enormous hemispherical concrete domes (containment vessels?), each tipped with a conical glowing red light. They look for all the world like 100 foot tall breasts. Every time we drive past them, my kids shout out "Nuclear boobies!".

I would try to get a picture, but I suspect that a scruffy bearded guy with unkempt fluffy hair taking pictures of a nuclear power plant next to a big Marine base might not go over very well.

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Are those the two things that Drebbin and his boss drive past at the beginning of 'The Naked Gun'?

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Don't you silly people know that the only true sexual education is abstinence only?

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I like San Diego.

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I went to San Diego for a company retreat last summer. I was all clubbin' with the ladies and they turned the lights on a 1:30am.

W
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The ocean was cool. I played around on a floating board.

And fucked a coworker more than once.

That trip was great.

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I don't get why schools teach that stuff, but whatever, I don't have children.

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Basic sexuality and protection would, in my opinion, be a totally reasonable topic for a health class. If they're covering avoiding infectious diseases, then proper use of condoms and other protective materials (and, yes, the option of abstinence) is important information. The diseases you can pick up via sexual contact are at least as dangerous as those you're likely to get from sneezes and unwashed hands, I would think.

There are lots of things I like about San Diego, but the social conservative atmosphere is not among them.

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You're probably right, but I still think old school English, mathematics and sciences would serve these kids more than lessons on sexuality. I don't have a religious objection to it, I just think schools have wandered pretty far from their reason for being.

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If the schools wanted to completely exclude health classes from the curriculum, then I wouldn't see any need to specifically include information on sexuality (except in a biological sense in physiology or anatomy classes, or in the general sense in general bio).

In this case, though, that still won't help us. The students apparently wanted to do a project involving providing information to other students about sexually transmitted diseases and protection therefrom. Their instructor had already approved it. Assuming that the information is not *forced* on other students, and is accurate, then prohibiting the project on the grounds of avoiding controversy (or because the school has an abstinence-only policy) is objectionable to me.

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You're probably right, but I still think old school English, mathematics and sciences would serve these kids more than lessons on sexuality. I don't have a religious objection to it, I just think schools have wandered pretty far from their reason for being.


The PSHE ('personal, social and health education') sort of sex education takes very little time from the curriculum. You can easily chisel three to four hours or so out of biology for it (particularly given that it is pretty relevant to biology) and that's more than enough time. I don't think that there's a curriculum time argument against it, given all the other things on the curriculum that are less relevant or important; any of those could be cut back to make room for PSHE type stuff.

Maybe parents should be allowed to opt their kids out, but it's some of the most useful stuff that's taught in schools, if done well. Pretty much all the kids will know some of it to some level of accuracy, of course, but accurate/correct information is often difficult to come by.

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well, look, what's the point in teaching them how to stay healthy? they're going to hell if they fuck with or without a condom, where they'll suffer for all eternity, anyway. i just don't see the point.

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children shouldn't be complaning if they are to get sexual education at their schools, the real problem is their parents who have not taken any lessons about sex at their schoolhood. if one whole genre could be raised like that when those children become parents i don't think they will have any oppositions for their children to have sexual education at schools.
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Don't people normally have to explain _why_ something is controversial? I think making these people trying to formulate their scruples would be a healthy exercise for them.

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This is sort of related to how pharmacies and grocery stores are moving condoms to in front of the pharmacist or even in a locked case. The idea is to prevent shop lifting of condoms and other birth control, but to me, the people that have to steal condoms are the ones that need them most, and that's to say nothing of the poor high school freshman who's gonna get lucky that night but is doesn't want the scowling old pharmacist see him grab the box - the check out line is bad enough (thank God for self-checkout!).

When I'm rich I'm going to pay stores their estimated loss on shoplifted condoms and have them put the display back out in the open. That'll be my philanthropy.

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I'm baffled as to why we advocate the major subjects in school and forget about teaching young adults things that will impact their lives more than a little extra booksmarts - sex and money being two key things. Almost everything I learned in physics, biology, chemistry, advanced math, and history has not helped me one bit outside the classroom. I know it's different for everyone, but there is such a focus on being booksmart and not enough on learning things that will be useful in life.

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