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Mister Freign
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Explain to me why I don't like Harry Potter

I don't get it. I should, historically, like it at least enough to go see it and stuff... I tried reading one of the books but, even though such an easy and quick read, it repulsed all attempts at picking it back up once set down.

Maybe it's the sloppy use of shallow-end mythic symbols? I'm told that Ms. Rowling's lack of classical education is a definite plus in regard to her imaginative and unfettered use of mythic symbols / beasties, but it doesn't seem to carry over for me.

The guy that plays Hagrid bums me out. Hermione, too. Ron's OK but leans to the annoying side with his whole "make a silly frightened face" bag. The Harry, himself, really confuses me: why are people interested in this kid? When he smiles my brow crinkles and I grimace uncontrollably. I'd like it if he'd not do that, and stop quickly when he accidentally does. "Turn it off!" I want to yell.

The sole light of these movies, for me, has been Snape; I just like that actor in that role. I'd like it if he'd go ahead and be a badass and like kick Harry's little ass, though. "Disintegratamus, you little worm!!! Hah! Diiiieeeee, boyeeeee!" That would be a great scene.

What if Harry were to set himself on fire? Would that be a nifty thing? Would his fans go along with that, if he was serious about it?

"He had to do it," they might say. "It was heroic" maybe.

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Your pedophilia is in conflict with your high artistic standards. It's an old problem.

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Pisscha off, did I?

That'll teach me to not empathize with pedophiles! Boy am I insensitive. I should've realized they're cuddly and worthy of respect and third chances and such like.

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Wait! I want to change my answer!:

Harry's not nearly hot enough to get my lob on. Oh, for the days of Punky Brewster and Silver Spoons when a man could yank endlessly the Swollen Gland of Freedom!


Thanks. Ignore that other one.

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Thank you. You did not pishme off one bit, I'm just playing along to make you post lame posts like that other one. I couldn't care less about pedophiles, but don't tell anyone.

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I've yet to read a Harry Potter book or watch a movie. I just can't muster the interest, it just seems like they're the epitome of the worst of geekdom.
And while I'm fine with being a geek, I shy away from reaching the nadir.

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I like the books but the movies are understandably short on content. If you can't bring yourself to read the books, there's no point in seeing the movies.

I doubt that I would have ever seen the movies if I hadn't had children. Same thing with LOTR.

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I doubt that I would have ever seen the movies if I hadn't had children. Same thing with LOTR.


I have never seen LOTR, but I did see the new Harry Potter movie the other day. I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the other movies (I did start to watch the first and fell asleep at some point, so I knew he takes a train to wizard school). Despite my friend's insistence that I didn't need to see the other movies, she kept having to tell me who the people were and what was supposed to be happening. All in all, it wasn't bad, the movie looked good visually and you can tell they are setting up some epic battle in some future movie(s). Plus it was a little darker than I expected, which was good.

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My kids had no interest in the LOTR movies. I watched a bit of the first one, but they had to leave so much out of it that I didn't watch anymore.

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You don't like Harry Potter because they are about the struggle of good and evil, or benevolence and power, and they take a different side than you do.

It might also be that, while they are very enjoyable and surprisingly rich mythologically, they are highly accessible fantasy, which just doesn't float everyone's boat. I know a number of smart people who disdain them because they are very readable and fun, and they assume that anything readable and fun is trivial pap. I'm not saying that you are such a person, mind, just that some folks find them annoyingly fluffy, and never go deeper into them to find the richer core of the story.

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quote:
Originally posted by DevilMoon
I have never seen LOTR, but I did see the new Harry Potter movie the other day. I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the other movies (I did start to watch the first and fell asleep at some point, so I knew he takes a train to wizard school). Despite my friend's insistence that I didn't need to see the other movies, she kept having to tell me who the people were and what was supposed to be happening. All in all, it wasn't bad, the movie looked good visually and you can tell they are setting up some epic battle in some future movie(s). Plus it was a little darker than I expected, which was good.


Epic battle does indeed come in the next movie.

snape kills dumbledore

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Re: Explain to me why I don't like Harry Potter

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I don't get it. I should, historically, like it at least enough to go see it and stuff... I tried reading one of the books but, even though such an easy and quick read, it repulsed all attempts at picking it back up once set down.

Maybe it's the sloppy use of shallow-end mythic symbols? I'm told that Ms. Rowling's lack of classical education is a definite plus in regard to her imaginative and unfettered use of mythic symbols / beasties, but it doesn't seem to carry over for me.

The guy that plays Hagrid bums me out. Hermione, too. Ron's OK but leans to the annoying side with his whole "make a silly frightened face" bag. The Harry, himself, really confuses me: why are people interested in this kid? When he smiles my brow crinkles and I grimace uncontrollably. I'd like it if he'd not do that, and stop quickly when he accidentally does. "Turn it off!" I want to yell.

The sole light of these movies, for me, has been Snape; I just like that actor in that role. I'd like it if he'd go ahead and be a badass and like kick Harry's little ass, though. "Disintegratamus, you little worm!!! Hah! Diiiieeeee, boyeeeee!" That would be a great scene.

What if Harry were to set himself on fire? Would that be a nifty thing? Would his fans go along with that, if he was serious about it?

"He had to do it," they might say. "It was heroic" maybe.



You don't like Harry Potter because you haven't read anything since Collier's Weekly went out of print.

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quote:
Originally posted by Talarohk
...some folks find them annoyingly fluffy, and never go deeper into them to find the richer core of the story.


Could you synopsize what the deeper core is? I promise I'm really good at that sort of thing; you can be abrupt and vague as time demands.

The thing is, my niece is going to be here for awhile and, instead of molesting her like normal uncles would do, I'm going to be all nice and feign interest in things like Harry Potter, to which she is rabidly addicted and in whom she finds a worthy surrogate for Jesus Christ. She's pretty smart for a wee thing, and I don't want to accidentally say something like "All that Harry Potter shite sucks balls and won't be discussed in this house" or what have you.

I'd like it so much more if she were into Philip Pullman instead of JK Rowling, but there you have it. I'm giving her the His Dark Materials trilogy to read on the train ride home, so....

...but yeah - what's the deeper core? What is it that everyone responds to so hardcore? Je ne comprends pas.


PS: please cast a vote in the "Set yourself on fire" thread; it means a great deal to me.

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I read the first book in the "His Dark Materials" trilogy. Its was an easy read and decently written but I didn't see anything spanktacular about it. Does it get better in the subsequent books or do I just not connect well with literature meant for adolescents anymore?

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The reason I like it for kids is that it takes several smart and subtle shots at the church / christianity as it's commonly practiced / believed in.

I don't know if I can say that it gets 'better' - it could just be a not-connecting-with-adolescent lit thing, for sure. I read them with my godchildren and in that context it was fun, talking it through with them and so forth. Definitely not for adults, though. I'd say you could pat yourself on the back.

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Re: Re: Explain to me why I don't like Harry Potter

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You don't like Harry Potter because you haven't read anything since Collier's Weekly went out of print.


Hah! I'd [P] on you but I'm all dry. Somebody [P] on this witty muddafukka.

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The reason I like it for kids is that it takes several smart and subtle shots at the church / christianity as it's commonly practiced / believed in.




Pretty much the selling point that got me to take interest in reading the first book.

I have no interest in the potter books or movies either.

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Could you synopsize what the deeper core is? I promise I'm really good at that sort of thing; you can be abrupt and vague as time demands.
I'll try, and then later I'll get a summary from my wife, who has a degree in literature and knows lots of stuff I don't.

There are all sorts of interesting things in the structure and mythology of the books. For one, there are alchemical references throughout. In alchemy, there are references to a color progression (Black to white to red, and then maybe to gold). This is relevant to certain characters in the book:[spoiler] . There are also Tarot references, sometimes subtle (the name of the pub in which discussion of the murders of some incidental characters by a main one is the Hanged Man) and unsubtle (a disastrous chapter named "The lightning-struck tower). Harry's journey relates well to the Hero's Journey. The books are intricately interconnected, and in many cases, information which has seemed like a throwaway bit in one book ends up providing a vital clue in later books.

I know that my wife has been doing some analysis of the series structure in preparation for the final book release, and has found some interesting plot mirrorings in the stories. Many elements of book 2 are seen in 6, 3 in 5, 1 in 4 (and thus maybe in 7?). There are interesting questions aplenty still to be answered.

They're certainly not flawless, and they are made to be very accessible to children (less so in the later books, as they get dark and scary), but the plot is intricate and rich with symbolism (phoenixes!).

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The thing is, my niece is going to be here for awhile and, instead of molesting her like normal uncles would do, I'm going to be all nice and feign interest in things like Harry Potter, to which she is rabidly addicted and in whom she finds a worthy surrogate for Jesus Christ. She's pretty smart for a wee thing, and I don't want to accidentally say something like "All that Harry Potter shite sucks balls and won't be discussed in this house" or what have you.

I'd like it so much more if she were into Philip Pullman instead of JK Rowling, but there you have it. I'm giving her the His Dark Materials trilogy to read on the train ride home, so....

How old is your niece? I adore the Pullman books too, they're even richer, but it seems to me that their myth and symbols are oriented toward an older audience.

Incidentally, have your heard the audiobooks of His Dark Materials? Read by Pullman, with a voice cast for the characters. Marvelous.

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what other fantasy stories/movies/mythology are you into? you kind of forgot to mention that. perhaps fantasy isn't your bag.

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If you don't like Dark Materials pt.1 you have lost that loving feeling. And it will not get better.

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quote:
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what other fantasy stories/movies/mythology are you into? you kind of forgot to mention that. perhaps fantasy isn't your bag.


Jeez, it goes on forever. I'm a huge fantasy dick. I like Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast trilogy the best, still; Cordwainer Smith's sci fi, Stanislaw Lem, Karel Capek, not unmoved by LOTR, that one russian guy's somnolent / mind-searingly queit movies like Stalker, B-grade bubblegum like Hammer horror and Battle Beyond the Stars works on me (because I seriously love Kurosawa and we all know that Battle Beyond the Stars is the Seven Samurai n spaceships kinda - what was that one western, also?), the old Heavy Metals are really making me nostalgic and goofily sentimental, I'm a student of teutonic and pre-teutonic N European myth and folklore, as well as a dabbler in Hindu-related shit and other oriental goodies....

... you name it. That's why I'm curious as to why I can't seem to even start to like HP. What's the deal? I know a good bit about alchemy and the tarot - historical and kerygmatic - so, why am I not enthused?

Interestingly I think Coincidence may have hit on it pretty accurately. If Hermione or that one ghost-chick had been sexy maybe I'd be a huge faggity HP-geek. Kid's just not scintillating enough, maybe.

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Looking forward to Talarohk's wife's analysis.

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