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Originally posted by MadBomber:
according to the 1998 census there's about 270 million people in the US. I could not find the percentage of that number which represents tax paying citizens .. but based of 270 million, every person would be entitled to about $3,700 per person. lets just say 1/2 the people pay taxes .. that would be $7,400 a year for a return .. then the sticky part would be splitting based on taxes paid .. I make more than the average (about 35k a year .. if you can believe that) so does this mean I get more $$ back? what about the tobacco companies that pay millions in taxes? how much do they get back? do teachers still get underpaid while big business gets a refund .. and if the answer is no, then do I get less to no money back? I worked hard to not be employed in the food service, so should I get more money back .. or should I get less because I can afford to buy new cars and houses. I would want my money (daddy needs a new bike) but at the same time I wouldn't want people who have more money than they need (me?) to get more back then the people who need it (me?) .. where to draw the line I wonder. it wouldn't be fair to say businesses get the same percentage back because then big business would take it all and leave nothing for the people .. however, there are smaller businesses that would deserve their whole share back.
No, I think you are missing the point. When it comes to church donations, everybody is all warm and cuddly with the notion of fairness. When it comes to taxes, the idea is "fuck them up the ass if we can!"
YES tobacco companies should get back their fair share. I don't give a shit if they are peddling death. IT IS THEIR MONEY! The government said "hey, we need all this money from you to do these things here..." the companies said "fine". The government then realized they did in fact NOT need all that money. Why on EARTH should they then redistribute that money to OTHER PEOPLE? Or invent other programs to pump the money into? I find it all the greater wrong that these companies and people would not be returned their money since it was practically forcibly taken from them, whereas at least in the church example the people chose of their own free will to give the money.
Should the federal government now play the role of Robin Hood?
Because if you are saying that the rich should get back less then their fair share of taxes, and instead it should be redistributed to the lower eschelon, you are saying, in essence, "these rich people should give ME their money!" What is right and fair about that? They already get taxed more then you, they get all of their bank accounts invested by the IRS, get fucked in the ass by the government on a regular basis, and then people suggest that when it comes time for the government to give people back some of the money they took from them that they don't need anymore, you are saying that YOU should get a greater share, even though you PAID less of a share? It's one thing to suggest that the wealthy should shoulder the burden of supporting the government more then the poor, it's another to say that the wealthy should shoulder the burder for everybody else.
Bomber, you make 35k a year and pay maybe 35% in taxes. Why is it more fair for a person making 35 million a year to have to pay 60%? And then for YOU to get back the lion's share of their money.
It constantly chafes me (yeah, that's right! I said CHAFES ME!) that people are so ready to bitch about how the wealthy should shoulder the burder for this society. Whatever happened to "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten?" Why should the wealthy be punished for having succeeded? (and before anybody says it, the preschool value is "share" not "take from one kid against their will and give it to another kid". The latter is called "stealing" in the black and white logic of kindergarten).
I don't understand why EVERYBODY would not agree on this point.
And MadBomber said it himself. The REASON that the goverment needs to fuck that upper 10th percentile in the ass so hard is because the government fucking throws three fourths of it down the shitter. And yet instead of people shouting "the government needs to reform!" they shout "rich people should pay more!" Fuck that. That isn't right, no matter how you look at it.
But that's another issue I suppose.
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