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Why I’m uneasy about voting for Obama.

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Ron Paul is your only hope. He is the only man crazy enough to push colloidal silver as the cure to our current financial problems.

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We need to get rid of these interest charges,man. That means we need to get rid of our lenders.
Then we will all win.
It's the American way.
When we needed land we got rid of the natives...
When we needed labor we went to Africa...
Now we need a fresh start....
You know if Pirates and Vikings of long ago saw us today they would be so proud...
... so proud.

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Without interest there is no incentive to save or lend money. People want their investments to grow and returns on their investment. Without interest neither of these exist.

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No. Interest charges on our DEFICIT so we can finally pay it off. I'm sure we have already payed off our national debt 100 times over already if not for that interest.

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No. We need to stop deficit spending if we are to pay off our national debt. Interest rates have virtually nothing to do with our inability to pay it down.

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You know if Pirates and Vikings of long ago saw us today they would be so proud...
... so proud.

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Possibly even food for a week.

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If the pirates and vikings of long ago saw you today they would see six pairs of leggings, twelve belts, two vests, and a drinking bowl. Oh, and your daughter would be passed around like a joint for the next 10 years.

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A 10 year joint... *dreams*

Tal, did you just say that you fear Obama will not be socialist enough?

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In a way, I think I did. If things come out as badly as I'm fearing economically, I am afraid that he'd try to help the poor by borrowing money, rather than diverting budgetary resources towards that goal (and raising taxes if need be). I'm sure that is economically incredibly stupid of me, but it was on my mind.

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Fixed.

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I voted for Nader. A vote for Obama is a vote for Biden. A vote for McCain is a vote for Pelosi.

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Hey Tal, rad post

I don't know if I agree with you, though I've little evidence to prove otherwise so read on only if you want TOTAL CONJECTURE sauce!

I predict that Obama will do well with the shitty economy. I think his plan to create jobs in the enviro-sector is right on- two birds with one stone- I also think he'll urge the creation of a new WPA, which worked before, so why not again?

I've also heard him talk about (and this is something I've had a secret muslim hard-on for like, ever for) extending the non-fighting side of the military out into civilian project groups- which is brilliant. Get 18 year old kids out of high school to join the military NOT as a fighting quantity but as builders of infrastructure and what not.

I don't know... Maybe I'm all drunk with the Obama brand kool-aid, but I do know that people need a leader in a crisis and, though there's an awful lot of partisanship about Barry, I do think that he's shown over and over his temperament and ability to keep cool in tough situations. I don't think he's the savior or anything, but I do think he's good at listening to his advisors and to both his supporters and his detractors- and from all of this arriving at good leadership decisions.

Again, mostly all conjecture. The last bit is real, though. He's sort of famed for giving everyone around him, from interns on up equal talking time. If someone doesn't like a plan of his or supports something he's doing but has something to add, he sits with them, asks good questions and listens.

Very important in a leader. Very, very important to a leader in a financial free-fall.

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I agree with most of that. The things I like most about him are his respect for knowledge and expertise over partisanship, his charisma, persuasiveness, and intelligence. I think he has good ideas.

I'm just really worried that he will fund those ideas by the politically easier (but ultimately catastrophic) method of borrowing, and that he won't recognize when we just can't afford to implement his good ideas.

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Bush found ways and no one seemed to have cared as long as they got what they wanted. It's no excuse but at least in my opinion he would be spending it in the right direction.
I like that Obama can be a cheerleader to all of us.
RA RA RA!!!

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So, what I think I'm hearing is that regardless who you vote for the rich-types will always be rich and the poor types will always eat from their tables?

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That is called reality.

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I agree with most of that. The things I like most about him are his respect for knowledge and expertise over partisanship, his charisma, persuasiveness, and intelligence. I think he has good ideas.

I'm just really worried that he will fund those ideas by the politically easier (but ultimately catastrophic) method of borrowing, and that he won't recognize when we just can't afford to implement his good ideas.

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That is called reality.

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To me Bush never faltered. Some say this was a good trait. I say this was a STUBBORN trait. Bush will NEVER EVER admit to making a mistake. He will go to his grave with the belief that he did the absolute best thing he could have possibly have done as a president.
And what scares me about McCain is that he's a stubborn mutherfucker too. And as much as he says he's different with Bush that may be in his blood type only. He agrees in Bush's stubborn style in never faltering. He wants to be just as stubborn. He will NEVER declare defeat. He even said this himself that if it will take 100 years so be it that's just fucked up man.

This will sound twisted but I LIKE that Obama will flip flop. I LIKE that Obama will actually LISTEN to his advisors. If Bush listened to his advisors,if Bush listened to THE UNITED FUCKING NATIONS we would never have even STARTED this war.

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All governments should be run by the United Nations.

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They represent the world. When the world told Bush "NO" he said "FUCK YOU".

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he said "FUCK YOU".

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That's exactly why, tomorrow, I will write in my vote for Anthony Quinn. Because it is my pleasure.

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