quote:Originally posted by 3MTA3 Because its nonsense crap...coherent sulfur compounds are not sufficient, you need a number of things to produce a living, replicating organism and sulfur gets along with nothing. Silicon and helium are also crazy bullshit thats not worth considering. The odds are quite high that there is but one type of life in the entire universe and its carbon based...you know, since it has to be stable. There was no point in saying any of the above since you are speculating about nonsense...but since you brought it up...
Also, the forces in this universe are absolutely the same anywhere in our horizon as defined by the distance light has traveled since the big bang. Morons continually pump out bad science about varying constants that do not ever pan out...ever. Changes to most of these dont make other forms of life more probable, they make the formation of galactic structures less probable...which means life becomes less probable...get a fucking clue tefl.
It must be comforting to live a life so absolutely faith-based.
He's (Obama) the President of Hate. He has magically allowed the blue monkeys to embrace hatred, to feel proud of it, to murder, to conquer. They never would have been able to take this step without him.
**Freign**
quote:Originally posted by SimpleSimon Just here on this planet there is life thriving at temperatures and pressures where most other organisms will turn quickly into disassociating molecular soup with no remaining coherent organization.
are you sure you want to use lifeforms exclusive to the only known life-supporting planet in the universe to imply that life can form outside of what we understand to be life-supporting conditions? you're not exactly breaking any new ground there, Copernicus. i'm well aware of organisms that can survive in extreme conditions (jet fuel blasts, miles under the ocean, inside thick ice, in vacuum, etc) but the fact remains that those lifeforms undeniably did evolve to survive those conditions right here on Earth.
you clearly missed my point, at any rate and went off on a tangent completely unrelated to the jist of my post. what i was saying is that the chance of all the criteria that makes a planet Earth-like existing together on another single planet is incredibly low. however the unlikeliness of it is negated by near infinite possibility.
a million-in-one chance doesn't mean shit when you have a billion tries.
quote:Originally posted by SimpleSimon It must be comforting to live a life so absolutely faith-based.
You dont understand chemistry or the natural world. This means youre not even a man. Keep thinking anything is possible though...truest sign of a retard if there ever was one.
quote:Originally posted by Avondale what i was saying is that the chance of all the criteria that makes a planet Earth-like existing together on another single planet is incredibly low.
quote:Originally posted by Avondale are you sure you want to use lifeforms exclusive to the only known life-supporting planet in the universe to imply that life can form outside of what we understand to be life-supporting conditions? you're not exactly breaking any new ground there, Copernicus. i'm well aware of organisms that can survive in extreme conditions (jet fuel blasts, miles under the ocean, inside thick ice, in vacuum, etc) but the fact remains that those lifeforms undeniably did evolve to survive those conditions right here on Earth.
you clearly missed my point, at any rate and went off on a tangent completely unrelated to the jist of my post. what i was saying is that the chance of all the criteria that makes a planet Earth-like existing together on another single planet is incredibly low. however the unlikeliness of it is negated by near infinite possibility.
a million-in-one chance doesn't mean shit when you have a billion tries.
I missed your point?
No, I don’t think so. To quote my original post in pertinent poart:
quote:Originally posted by SimpleSimon …Within that range of conditions there is at least one likely place for life to prosper besides Earth in this solar system alone. Asserting on the basis of our extremely limited understanding of just how life originates, and our ever-widening understanding of where it can survive and prosper, that we can have anything more than the wildest ass guesses as to how frequent it may be in the universe is nothing more than intellectual masturbation
quote:Originally posted by 3MTA3 You dont understand chemistry or the natural world. This means youre not even a man. Keep thinking anything is possible though...truest sign of a retard if there ever was one.
Right, professor.
Your degree is in what “discipline”, exactly?
I neither stated nor implied that “anything is possible”. That you should choose to read what I actually did say in the framework of that interpretation speaks volumes of your ignorance and your willful incomprehension.
He's (Obama) the President of Hate. He has magically allowed the blue monkeys to embrace hatred, to feel proud of it, to murder, to conquer. They never would have been able to take this step without him.
**Freign**
What is your inquiry? Try asking a direct question and using my name or something.
Simon, youre a total doofus who presumes that anything is possible. Im not the one with faith, that would be you. Youre the same chucklehead who thinks interstellar travel is a reasonable adventure. This is because you have the most shallow understanding of the sciences imaginable. Youre a child.
"The planet circles a star called Gliese 581. It's about 120 trillion miles away, so it would take several generations for a spaceship to get there. It may seem like a long distance, but in the scheme of the vast universe, this planet is "like right in our face, right next door to us," Vogt said in an interview."
120,000,000,000,000 miles / 45,000mph =
2,666,666,667 hours / 24 =
111,111,111 days / 365 =
304,414 years
I would put 304.5k years at a bit more than "several" generations when talking about getting there, that's even with an optimistic rate of speed around 45k MPH.
Even at the speed of light it would take 20years to get there.
quote:Originally posted by 3MTA3 What is your inquiry? Try asking a direct question and using my name or something.
Simon, youre a total doofus who presumes that anything is possible. Im not the one with faith, that would be you. Youre the same chucklehead who thinks interstellar travel is a reasonable adventure. This is because you have the most shallow understanding of the sciences imaginable. Youre a child.
You know we don't doubt your role as a qualified realist (along with SS, interestingly), but this area is beyond current human judgment. You should be able to relax and live with that, you adult.
He's (Obama) the President of Hate. He has magically allowed the blue monkeys to embrace hatred, to feel proud of it, to murder, to conquer. They never would have been able to take this step without him.
**Freign**
quote:Originally posted by FuhQall I would put 304.5k years at a bit more than "several" generations when talking about getting there, that's even with an optimistic rate of speed around 45k MPH.
Even at the speed of light it would take 20years to get there.
Don't start packing yet.
Ok, first I would like to say that I never suggested I would be visiting the place. I merely suggested that if a planet only 20 lightyears away is such a good fit for what we think is necessary for life, they can't be all that uncommon.
Even without a background in rocketry, I feel quite safe in stating that chemical propellants can take us past your 45k mph. Nuclear propulsion can probably get us going significantly faster.
I am quite certain that a ship capable of supporting a human population for the entire journey could be built, and that it could achieve .01c. Faster might well be possible. This still entails a flight time of about 2000 years, but you cannot deny that is a step up from your estimate.
What we think is far may not be considered far to others. The atom we call our solar system seems very far away but when we look at the distance between two atoms in our own bodies it does not seem far at all.
I saw a UFO a few years ago. I was driving home from New Mexico and say a chrome cylindrical shape in the sky. I assumed it was a weather balloon but the fucking thing suddenly took off into the sky and made a sharp left turn and then it was gone.
I bet it was an electron microscope.
quote:Originally posted by SatansLeftHand Ok, first I would like to say that I never suggested I would be visiting the place. I merely suggested that if a planet only 20 lightyears away is such a good fit for what we think is necessary for life, they can't be all that uncommon.
Even without a background in rocketry, I feel quite safe in stating that chemical propellants can take us past your 45k mph. Nuclear propulsion can probably get us going significantly faster.
I am quite certain that a ship capable of supporting a human population for the entire journey could be built, and that it could achieve .01c. Faster might well be possible. This still entails a flight time of about 2000 years, but you cannot deny that is a step up from your estimate.
I didn't suggest that you were suggesting anything.
I was merely using your link and then found that paragraph.
quote:Originally posted by Large Filipino What we think is far may not be considered far to others. The atom we call our solar system seems very far away but when we look at the distance between two atoms in our own bodies it does not seem far at all.
I saw a UFO a few years ago. I was driving home from New Mexico and say a chrome cylindrical shape in the sky. I assumed it was a weather balloon but the fucking thing suddenly took off into the sky and made a sharp left turn and then it was gone.
I bet it was an electron microscope.
Unfortunately, UFOs pick up brainwaves from nearby sentient beings and only let themselves be seen by those who are not qualified to handle the information. Which is obviously why I have never seen one.
"I'm a human being, I exist... and if I speak one thought aloud, that thought lives..."
"Delusions... to make you think you have a strength, when you have no strength at all!!! You are nothing, but spindly limbs and a dream, and The State has no use for your kind!!!!"
quote:Originally posted by Coincidence Unfortunately, UFOs pick up brainwaves from nearby sentient beings and only let themselves be seen by those who are not qualified to handle the information. Which is obviously why I have never seen one.
Oh they scanned you all right. They just picked up a test pattern and figured you were off the air.
quote:On October 23, 2010, F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming temporarily lost the ability to communicate with 50 of its Minuteman III missiles. The five Missile Alert Facilities responsible for launching those ICBMs—Alpha through Echo, comprising the 319th Strategic Missile Squadron—would have been unable to do so during the period of the disruption.
This dramatic story was leaked to Mark Ambinder, a contributing editor at The Atlantic, which published it three days later. The U.S. Air Force then quickly acknowledged the problem, saying that a back-up launch system could have performed the task and claiming that the breakdown had lasted a mere 59 minutes.
However, the latter statement was untrue, according to two missile technicians stationed at F.E. Warren, who say that the communications issue, while intermittent, actually persisted over several hours.
Significantly, these same individuals report sightings by "numerous teams" of an enormous, cigar-shaped craft that maneuvered high above the missile field on the day of the disruption. The huge UFO appeared similar to a World War I German Zeppelin but had no passenger gondola or advertising on its hull, as would a commercial blimp.
quote:Originally posted by SatansLeftHand Ok, first I would like to say that I never suggested I would be visiting the place. I merely suggested that if a planet only 20 lightyears away is such a good fit for what we think is necessary for life, they can't be all that uncommon.
Even without a background in rocketry, I feel quite safe in stating that chemical propellants can take us past your 45k mph. Nuclear propulsion can probably get us going significantly faster.
I am quite certain that a ship capable of supporting a human population for the entire journey could be built, and that it could achieve .01c. Faster might well be possible. This still entails a flight time of about 2000 years, but you cannot deny that is a step up from your estimate.
Nuclear propulsion isn't quite right. It's nuclear converted to electric propulsion that would push us around space. Most likely a VASIMR nuke powered one.
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