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Spooky
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Can someone please tell me
Why when I mention anything that might involve the USA as a country I am America bashing, and am told as much. Yet when anyone says something against Briatin, or Europe I take it standing up and don't fucking whine about European bashing?
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...because americans are whiny?
i don't know.
most of your posts are negative commentary on our country. tis true. i don't think i've ever seen you say something positive about the united states. i understand that you're only expressing your opinion, but when your opinion is always that america and its citizens suck, how do you expect people to react?
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Mordecai
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Fuckin limey, quit bashing america.
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the question is: if you do not live in the country you are criticising - does this mean you have no true rights to criticise its politics?
I've seen it happen in here where, someone will slag off their country and no one bats an eyelid - but when someone who is of a different nationality slags off that same country...everyone has a fit.
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Mordecai
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UJ has a point there. Not to mention the fact that I haven't seen whole lot of British bashing. Yes I know we mock you all, calling you limeys and what not, but I haven't seen a constant stream of negative crap the british government. So really spooky, what everyone is tired of, is that fact that you feel the need to ridicule the american government constantly, and you aren't even an american, though I am sure we could come annex your little island.
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Spooky
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quote: Originally posted by morgana:
most of your posts are negative commentary on our country. tis true. i don't think i've ever seen you say something positive about the united states. i understand that you're only expressing your opinion, but when your opinion is always that america and its citizens suck, how do you expect people to react?
I have never said that all Americans citizens suck. I have only ever expressed an opinion on issues. Now just because I tend to take a more european line on many issues I am therefore being anti-american.
Wherever I have been negetive, it has usually been about decisons made in terms of politcs that I do not agree with. These are not therefore negetive comments on all of America per se. ON the case of generic issues, such as environment, abortion, guns, etc. I am in no doubt that there are many americans that agree with the positions I may take. Or am I too assume that the americans in this forum are a fair representation of the bropader US population.
I am berated in here for being 'anti-american' many many times, funny that I have never once complained lividly about antri-european tendancies, or anti-english sentiment, I just tend to laugh it off generally, because I am english and used to it. Do you see me whining?
I have in the past said posiitve things about America, I will now if you like. FD Roosevelt was a greta President who saved your nation from economic despair. Monroe came up with a doctrine that finally brought America out of the wilderness of International affairs and applied real politik in AMercia for the first time. You invented the mass produced car, you copied the valve computer {joke}, you put a man on the moon. These are all positive achievements.
I guess, when we talk internationally the real problem comes, in that as an englishman, we tend to be more internationalist in our outlook, while the US is more isolationist. Is that really me being negetive about america, or is it actually me having opinon that stems from a completely different premiss?
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So let me get this straight Mord, because I don't live in America I should not have an opinon on actions taken by the Bush Administration that have international consequences?
This goes against everything I stand for, a graduate of politcs and a continuing student of governments actions around the world.
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Certainly everybody's welcome to comment on American government and its activities. I assume that US news gets broadcast in other countries because it matters to them how we are governed and what our government does. Similarly, I assume that foreign news does not get broadcast in the US (unless there's a war) because their governments' activities do not matter to us.
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Well Splat, we do get CNN, but its CNN Europe. And I believe the BBC News is broadcast in the US, at least the WOrld Service is anyway.
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quote: Originally posted by splAt:
Similarly, I assume that foreign news does not get broadcast in the US (unless there's a war) because their governments' activities do not matter to us.
You know, that you are right, but your assesment is worng. We have world news because we have journalists that want to bring the world news to us even when it does not effect our interests. IN comparison your tend to only show foreign news if it directly effects your own interests.e.g banana war with the EU. I am not america bashing here, just expressing the european take on your comment.
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Mordecai
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quote: Originally posted by Spooky:
So let me get this straight Mord, because I don't live in America I should not have an opinon on actions taken by the Bush Administration that have international consequences?
This goes against everything I stand for, a graduate of politcs and a continuing student of governments actions around the world.
So where did I say you couldn't have an opinion? You can have your opinion, you can hate fucking america and bush and me too if you want. However, that opinion is likely to unpopular with the majority of americans around here. We will therefore express our opinion that we are tired of your bashing and tell you where to shove it. Freedom baby, freedom to tell you off, just like you are free to continue bashing. I simply said UJ had a point, that people object to outside criticism, and therefore you should expect being called an american basher.
Fuckin limey.
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Spooky
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Hmmmm why you getting so rattled Mord? I could'nt care less about being called an American basher. I am not an american basher at all, its just that I disagree with alot of people and they choose to see it as country bashing as opposed to idea bashing which it actually is.
I note Feral, who is amercian rarely calls me a american basher. May I also add that I have rarely used the word 'yank' in here because I personally think its offensive. Starnge that no one has noticed that one in all the 'limey' insults that get hurled at me.
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Mordecai
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You are the one who started this thread, pointing out that you get attacked for it, not me. And I am not rattled, I just hate that fucking "I am entitled to my opinion" shit that everyone runs to. Yeah, you can have your opinion, but if it stinks, don't be suprised when you get called on it. As for yank, you can call me one and I'll be proud.
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Spooky
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quote: Originally posted by Mordecai:
I just hate that fucking "I am entitled to my opinion" shit that everyone runs to.
err I don;t mean to be rude, but I never said that as an excuse did I? I said that I don't bash amercia, I bash peoples ideas. And not wanting to be even more ruder, but you said that I had freedom to say what I liked, is that not like you telling me that I am 'entitled to my opinion'? You have utterly confused me,. You hate that excuse and yet you tell me its ok in differnt words?
*scratches head*
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Mordecai
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I'm telling you that you can have your opinion but you shouldn't whine about it when people take offense to it. Is that plain enough for you?
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Spooky
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quote: Originally posted by Mordecai:
I'm telling you that you can have your opinion but you shouldn't whine about it when people take offense to it. Is that plain enough for you?
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hmm I think that clears it up
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Mordecai
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Ok good, I think I am too wordy some times.
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well i don't get BBC broadcasts here
and most of the shit we hear about on CNN are about floods or mudslides in assorted parts of the world
but we are inundated with backlash of the americans being held by chinese *shudder*
that gets old real quick
so to answer your question ITS ALL THE MEDIAS FAULT!! BOOOO!!!! 
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i am amarican and i say we suck
but thats just the facts
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I like blaming the media, in fact I blame the them for the economic slowdown in america. Negative news reports about it created a feedback loop, "The economy is dying!" so people believe it and start behaving as though it is, which makes it worse, which generates for negative reports so on and so on, ad infinitum.
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quote: Originally posted by Spooky:
May I also add that I have rarely used the word 'yank' in here because I personally think its offensive.
Starnge that no one has noticed that one in all the 'limey' insults that get hurled at me.
Quit whining, limey!
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I do not find "yank" offensive at all. Feel free to use it to refer to myself, and others who might find it offensive. Just tell 'em I said it was alright 
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Princess_Chelle
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i dont care either call me whatever you like
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Gorilla Biscuit
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quote: Originally posted by Princess_Chelle:
i dont care either call me whatever you like
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