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Indol Awe
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Post Live, Damn you! Liiiiiiiive! :D

It's been a awful long time since I posted anything meaningful on my own silly little page, much less TLF. But, I am now, and there is no reason to fret about time. After all, time goes by only as quickly as you percieve it; clocks and calendars are a reflection of mathematics and machinery rather than reality. Einstein's theory of relativity, the best bead that we have on space/time so far, dictates that as particles accelerate, time changes quantitatively, so perhaps time is indeed a flexible phenomenon, stretched like taffy across the ebb and flow of space and matter. Should we be at all surprised that time is also subject to the moulds of our perceptions? You make the call.

Yes, it feels like it has been some time. Perhaps it has been because life has been moving so swiftly... college is finished now, unfortunately, and I now spend my days working and partying. Ho hum. I do feel intellectually understimulated though... a month out of school and I already feel as if my mind is starting to vegetate. I haven't even been reading at all. It's sad; I've got a stack of five excellent books waiting for me to rape them with the fine-toothed comb of reason but instead they're sitting on my shelf, neglected and pining for attention. It's sad, really.

But life goes on. You know, it seems to me that so many people are willing to jump up in the middle of their church, their bar, or other place of worship and proclaim their undying appreciation of life, but actually feel more comfortable refusing to really put any effort into living that philosophy. I know that it's easier to sit on a couch and let my mind enjoy its acetone bath and expose myself to spiritually toxic advertisements and erase my sense of irony and become accustomed to believing everything I'm told and reduce my attention span to nothing and... what was my point again? Oh yeah. Well, I know it's easier to do that than to expend the effort to put myself in a state of mind that is prone to joie de vive and creativity as well as a healthy lack of decorum, but... hey, wait, maybe it doesn't have that much going for it.

Partially cutting myself off from this society's way of thinking was probably the healthiest thing I have ever done. I think most people would be inclined to feel the same way but are already so beleaguered with what seem like more immediate problems that they forget that reality is just an experience like any other. It is just a ride, and you know, maybe we've taken the whole debacle too seriously. Most of our problems are self-created - when you realize that the world is a chaotic mess of people spinning uncontrollably on a rock travelling elliptically around a gargantuan fission plant that we named Sol, you'd think that we'd sorta calm ourselves down, realize that everything we do is insignificant, sit back, and just enjoy this ride, right? Well, most people on this side of the planet are still working themselves over that not-so-insignificant stumbling block.

Many of us are so used to thinking in sombre, serious terms that they've forgotten how to enjoy life outside of the socially prescribed set of commericial activities such as sports (equipment! merchandise!), sex (condoms! Britney Spears! inflatable rubber dolls!), drugs (it's Miller Time! [tm]), music (Top 50 grotesque perversions of previous bands' effort!), and... television!

I also think that people generally spend so much time zoning out in front of the TV or the computer or even in casual conversation that it's almost as if they've forgotten that there is a world outside, full of sensations and experiences that cost very little to explore - a world full of interesting people, places, objects and phenomena. Even more distant from most people's awareness, ironically enough, seems to be the internal world - the imagination - where absolutely anything is possible, where creativity flourishes, where you could entertain yourself for hours on end thinking about everything or nothing. (If you're doubt the entertainment value intrinsic in thinking absolutely nothing, might I suggest asking questions of a Buddhist monk?)

People don't so much lose their imagination as they outgrow childhood; rather, they become boring and sedate as adults in a desperate bid for respect, dignity, and security. They have committed themselves to a hara-kiri of the soul, cajoled into braindeath by a societal mindset which prescribes for them codes of conduct which just so happens to include TGI Fridays on NBC. How fucking sad.

In any case, back to my point:

Live, damn you. Live.

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Goatboy
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The voice of youth.

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Indol Awe
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I would probably say the same thing at 70, assuming I still had both hips left. hehe

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That's what I thought at 18.

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Indol Awe
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I'm 19, Goat. And in any case, I am quite committed to enjoying this life before me, for as long as I have breath in me to do so.

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O, well. 19. That's completly different.

Good luck, let's see how long it takes life to wear you down to one of the bland faceless and thoughtless masses.

I give you even money on 10 years.

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Indol Awe
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You certainly haven't lost your youthful exuberance.

We'll see how I do in ten years.

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19 and you graduated college already? Rock.

Fuck. I was going to post a monolouge from the film Six Degrees of Separation regarding the paralysis of imagination in regards to Catcher in the Rye, but I can't find the script online anywhere.

Go rend the movie. You'll see what I mean.

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19 and you graduated college already? Rock.

Fuck. I was going to post a monolouge from the film Six Degrees of Separation regarding the paralysis of imagination in regards to Catcher in the Rye, but I can't find the script online anywhere.

Go rend the movie. You'll see what I mean.



What is Imagination
by John Guare

A substitute teacher out on Long Island was dropped from his job for fighting with a student. A few weeks later, he returned to the classroom, shot the student (unsuccessfully), held the class hostage and then shot himself (successfully). This fact caught my eye (last sentence, The Times): 'A neighbour described the teacher as a nice boy always reading Catcher in the Rye.' This nitwit Chapman who shot John Lennon? Said he did it because he wanted to draw the attention of the world to Catcher in the Rye and the reading of this book would be his defence. The whiz-kid who shot Reagan and his press secretary? Said, 'if you want my defence, all you have to do is read Catcher in the Rye.'

I borrowed a copy from a young friend of mine because I wanted to see what she had underlined. And I read this book to find out why this touching, beautiful, sensitive story published in July 1951 had turned into this manifesto of hate. I started reading. It's exactly as I'd remembered - everybody's a phoney! Page two: 'My brother's in hospital being a prostitute.' Page three: 'What a phoney slob his father was.' Page nine: 'People never notice anything.' Then, on page twenty-two, my hair stood up ... Well, remember Holden Caulfield, the definitive, sensitive youth wearing his red hunter's cap? A deer-hunter's cap? Like hell it is! I sort of closed one eye like I was taking aim at it? 'This is a people-shooting hat. I shoot people in this hat.' This book is preparing people for bigger moments in their lives than I'd ever dreamed of. Then, on page eighty-nine: 'I'd rather push a guy out the window or chop his head off with an axe than sock him in the jaw. I hate fist-fights. What scares me most is the other guy's face.'

I've finished the book - it's a touching story. A comic! Because the boy wants to do so much and can't do anything. Hates all phoniness and only lies to others. Wants everyone to like him but is only hateful and is completely self-involved. In other words, a pretty accurate picture of a male adolescent.

What alarms me about the book - not the book so much as the awe about it - is this: the book is primarily about paralysis. The boy can't function and at the end, before he can run away and start a new life, it starts to rain and he folds. Now, there's nothing wrong in writing about emotional and intellectual paralysis. It may indeed ... be the great modern theme. ... But the awe around this book of savages (which perhaps should be read by everyone but young men) is this: it mirrors like a funhouse mirror and amplifies like a distorted speaker one of the great tragedies of our times - the death of the imagination, because what else is paralysis?

The imagination has been so debased that imagination, being imaginative, rather than being the lynchpin of our existence now stands as a synonym for something outside ourselves like science fiction or some new use for tangerine slices on raw pork chops. 'What an imaginative summer recipe!' And Star Wars? 'So imaginative!' And Star Trek? 'So imaginative.' And Lord of the Rings, all those dwarfs? 'So imaginative...'

The imagination has moved out of the realm of being our link, our most personal link with our inner lives and the world outside that world, this world we share. What is schizophrenia but a horrifying state where what's in here doesn't match up with what's out there? Why has imagination become a synonym for style?

I believe the imagination is the passport that we create to help take us into the real world. I believe the imagination is merely another phrase for what is most uniquely us. Jung says, 'The greatest sin is to be unconscious.' Our boy Holden says, 'What scares me most is the other guy's face. It wouldn't be so bad if you could both be blindfolded.' Most of the time the faces that we face are not the other guy's but our own faces. And it is the worst kind of yellowness to be so scared of yourself that you put blindfolds on rather than deal with yourself. To face ourselves - that's the hard thing. The imagination - that's God's gift to make the act of self-examination bearable.


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Where the fuck did you find that?!?!?!?!

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Where the fuck did you find that?!?!?!?!


Love,
GFY!

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quote:
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Love,
GFY!




ANSWER ME!!!!!!!

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And didn't we discuss this reverse order shit before?

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And didn't we discuss this reverse order shit before?


I did that when I first got here. But then if I'm in a flow, I go with that. SHEESH!

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I did that when I first got here. But then if I'm in a flow, I go with that. SHEESH!


HEY!!! You said you would!!

You lied to me!!!

AND TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THAT QUOTE!!!!!!

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HEY!!! You said you would!!

You lied to me!!!

AND TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THAT QUOTE!!!!!!




No, I didn't lie. I did as you requested. But I don't keep going to the bottom of the barrel all night long. And I know for a fact that you don't do it YOURSELF! Because I had posted this Guare piece a while ago and I WAS PURPOSEFULLY WAITING UP FOR YOU TO FINALLY SEE IT --- and this was AFTER YOU WERE RESPONDING TO PEOPLE WHO WERE CLOSER TO THE TOP!

Now, is this a case of "do as I say, not as I do?"

Regarding Guare. He's a personal friend of our family, what can I tell you!

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The "Six Degrees of Separation" theory can be thought of mathematically. Given that you have around 42 friends or relations, and that those 42 friends each have 42 other friends, and so on, it can be shown that only six iterations are needed before you've got the same number of people than that living on Earth at present -- i.e. about 6,000 million.

I read somewhere that everybody on this planet is separated by only six other people. Six degrees of separation between us and everyone else on this planet. ... Everyone is a new door opening into other worlds. Six degrees of separation between us and everyone else on this planet. But, to find the right six people...


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You mock me!

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You mock me!


You and I are probably separated by only 1 degree. Do you know that? I'm CERTAIN of it!

BY KAREN!

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*giggles at paint*

GFY ownz j00!!!!



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