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urbanjunkie
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I recently came across an interesting thread in a newsgroup (which is a rarity in its self). I have bastardised the main essence of the threads main argument as to whether "intelligent life" is a subjective or objective term? Here it is:


Are we, the human race, the pinnacle of intelligence on this planet?

The definition of "intelligence" could be seen as purely subjective, as an objective observer might not consider us intelligent for our failings.

To a lizard, fish, or any other "lesser" lifeform on this planet, intelligence is knowing how to escape predators and find food. We call this "instinct" however might that animal not consider itself intelligent and consider us to be some other life form it doesn't recognise as anything but its predator? Do you suppose that to these creatures the word "intelligence" might not even be considered when they think of us? Perhaps we consider ourselves intelligent but other lifeforms might not?

Would we even recognise intelligence defined by another life form? Perhaps an alien lifeform has other criteria it considers when objectifying what is intelligent life and what is not. By our own definitions we are most definitely intelligent, but by alien definitions, we may not even be up for consideration.

Perhaps the 'criteria' is much more extensive.

You could argue that ants and termites are the most structured society on earth. They possess a communal mindset in which every ant anywhere in that colony, knows exactly what its supposed to do and what the collective is doing at any given time. Without communicating individual by individual, the entire community can be mobilised to a single task at any given moment and the reaction is instantaneous.

We don't possess that ability. To an objective observer, they might be considered more intelligent for that ability.

Many animals on this planet build structures to live in, as do we. Many animals on this planet are innovative and make tools, as do we. How many of them destroy their habitat, war on each other, overpopulate themselves to starvation, create disease, live a parasitic existence in relation to the
environment, use up their resources, and then spread to a new location just to do it all over again?

There are two life forms on this planet that do this. One is a virus. We, are the other. Of course (and I really need to contradict myself here), this way of thinking can be perceived as being very naive. _All_ plants war with one another for light and what we call fertilizer, only they do it so slowly we
usually don't notice. They also war with animals.

Insects, fishes, mammals, all follow the same pattern because resources are limited by availability if not quantity. Populations of wolves first rise and fall out of synch with their prey populations because they don't know how to manage their own population.

Most predator-prey relationships follow the same pattern over time; the hunters evolve an effective strategy and their population soars while the prey population plummets, then the predators starve while the prey re-establish themselves. This repeats until something (climate, smarter
prey, whatever) changes.

But our destructive nature is simply more obvious and in-your-face. If you want to experience mindless destruction, permit mice or rats or termites to invade your house and see how they destroy everything with their continuously active teeth. Humans beings are far more capable in that way
and destroy in greater magnitudes the organisation of nature, but despite our proclaimed intelligence, we act the same basic way as these animals.

The fact we alone are capable of foreseeing the consequences of our actions makes us responsible for those very same actions.



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yesterday, whilst drinking, one of my friends made the point that if aliens were to observe the earth, they might not consider humans as the dominant species. his scenario consisted of some aliens, a telescope, a dog, and a guy with a pooper scooper.

it was probably something he saw on tv.

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Intelligence is obviously a subjective matter.

A race that we would consider inferior would in their own way consider us inferior to them.

Each side has their own criteria for what is and isn't intelligent, and judge differently.

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in·tel·li·gence (n-tl-jns)
n. Abbr. int., I


The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.


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pattern recognition dammit.

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urban:

You speak much of animals and their beahaviour in comparison to our own. The difference is the capacity to change behaviour. All animals, even the human animals, have "instincts": that which comes most natural to do. The difference with humans is that we posses the ability to overcome our instincts. The ability to, if we chose, to live in harmony with our surounding instead of detroying them. Of course so far we have not accomplished this, but it is the ability that sets us apart.

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intelligence isn't actually what you lot make it out to be...

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quote:
Originally posted by ItsJustLogan:
intelligence isn't actually what you lot make it out to be...




explain



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I'm just sitting here.

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Top.

Ants are cool. Every just watch them? Crazy little buggers. And none of them complain about equal opportunity for job placement and/or advancement. They know their role and shut the hell up and get the job done.

Humans can learn from the little ant.

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quote:
Originally posted by geaeslore:
urban:
The difference with humans is that we posses the ability to overcome our instincts.



In one of those nature documentaries, there was a mob of Kangaroos who not only overcame their instincts but radically altered their social structure.

A dominant male kangaroo is required to fight for his privilege against any and all contenders to the throne. In this case the fight was between two best friends, the contender also happened to be the 2nd in line. I think it was 3 days that the fight went for, both of them were close to death and niether would concede. The two males decided to split the mob in half, and the two halves went their seperate ways.

I dont know about you, but I've never seen the equivalent adaptability in humans, instinctual or otherwise.

I think we give ourselves too much credit. The biggest difference between humans and (most) other animals is the depth of our language, and it's this difference compounded over generations that puts us where we are today.

Hooray for the monkeys with the bloated cerebellum.

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