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weed question

i was arguing with a straight edge friend today. i was asking him about his beliefs, and why he was straight edge.

he replied "i just don't wanna get drunk and do something stupid, overdose, or get an std or get pregnant, whats wrong with that?"

at which point i said: "if they dont want to do any thing stupid, then they can still drink, just not in excess. if they dont want to overdose, then dont do hard drugs. when was the last time some one overdosed on weed...and if they dont want stds or babies, use protection, or the pill with a partner you know is clean. sxe takes it too extreme "

he then proceeded to tell me that nowadays all weed is laced with cocaine. his reasoning behind that was that it got people addicted to the dealers weed, so the dealer made more money off it.

This doesnt make sense to me, cocaine is a lot more expensive..around here it is around $150 for a gram, while its about $170 for an ounce of weed. Its not cost effective or logical to lace weed with coke, if you lace it, you still have to sell the weed at the normal price, otherwise people wont buy it, so the dealer will be operating at a loss...
im wondering if my information and logic is right? any one know about this sort of stuff?

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weed laced with coke? i very much doubt it

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weed laced with coke? i very much doubt it

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marijuana is still a carcinogen, even if only done occasionally. your straight laced friend may be paranoid, but at least he cares about his body.

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Agreed.

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Originally posted by morgana:
marijuana is still a carcinogen, even if only done occasionally. your straight laced friend may be paranoid, but at least he cares about his body.

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Here in limey land theres a group of my friends who regularly get chilled out with various soft drugs. Another mutual friend who isnt into the drugs mentioned how they were all hooked due to a small amount of coke being mixed into the gear. Frankly I dont know either way. But if you were a dealer and you did it once or twice for a punter you knew, then stopped doing it would that be enough to get them comming back for more? Makes sense if you think about it. Get em hooked then reduce or remove the coke dose, and force them to get more regular gear.

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If your friend wishes to remain straight, why in the hell would you want he to do otherwise?
I don't think the cocaine lacing is a true story but if that is what he believes, so what?
Be his friend and just support his beliefs since they obviously are not going to harm him.

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Originally posted by Gorilla Biscuit:

but thats not the arguement here...i dont want this to turn into a pothead vs you and the wraith arguement like vkls piss test thread did

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true, that wasn't the point of the argument. but, like wonderaz, i'm curious as to why you seem to want him to change his veiws so badly. i understand if you want to clarify what you think is a falsehood; perhaps he knows people who have been in such a situation. but i hardly think he's based his entire drug philosophy on his secondhand tale of coke-lacing.



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Unlike Wraith, I am not anti pot, I think it should be legalized, personally. I just think that if someone is working on a healthy lifestyle why would a "friend" want them to degrade it?

In regards to what you are trying to steer this thread back to...

It would be a VERY small minority of total scumbag dealers that would lace pot and sell it without informing the customer. Think about it, people who smoke pot do not need to be induced to smoke it, they already do and usually do so on a regular enough basis to satisfy the average dealer. It would be stupid of him to waste the time and money lacing pot to increase business.

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the kid is a jackass, if you read the second sentence of my first post you will see what i mean...all of his arguements are based on shoddy logic like that, and he always rambles on about things he has no idea about. i think straight edge in general is a pretty lame movement as well, but thats also irrelevant to this post.

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I respect his choice, and i know that alcohol and drugs do have some negative side effects, he is just too fanatical about it to listen to any opposing points of view that might make him look stupid

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Originally posted by Gorilla Biscuit:
for the reasons i gave, or for other reasons?

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While I don't recommend trying to turn yer friend into a pothead, I've met more than a few sXe's over the years that REALLY, REALLY NEED to smoke a damned bowl and sit the fuck down. As a group, their rabid "everybody but me is wrong" attitude is exceeded only by the ex-junkie/born-again-xtian types and certain strains of conspiracy theorists (the kind that actually wear tinfoil helmets).

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you're use of stereotype only enforces their use of it. no?



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Originally posted by Gorilla Biscuit:
the kid is a jackass, if you read the second sentence of my first post you will see what i mean...

he's a jackass because he is straight edge, or because he believes that all pot is laced?

all of his arguements are based on shoddy logic like that, and he always rambles on about things he has no idea about.

uh, like you? no offense, but you don't show any evidence of understanding the straight edge movement that you put down, as in your further post below:


i think straight edge in general is a pretty lame movement as well, but thats also irrelevant to this post.

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he's a jackass because he is straight edge, or because he believes that all pot is laced?
his reasons behind being straight edge, his general attitude, his beliefs and the reasoning behind them, and his theories like the coke/weed one make me think that he is a jackass.

uh, like you? no offense, but you don't show any evidence of understanding the straight edge movement that you put down, as in your further post below:
thats because i didnt give any of my knowledge of the straight edge movement. i go to 3 or 4 straight edge shows a month, mainly because i like the hardcore music. throughout the past year that i have been doing so, i have had ample experience with straight edgers, so i do know quite a bit about it. to me, around here its just another label like "punk" or whatever that people attach to themselves in order to fit into a certain group. There are those that fit the label, then there are those that try and fit the label in order to belong...

edit: but then why am i arguing with some one who thinks that mohawks make some one a punk


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to me, around here its just another label like "punk" or whatever that people attach to themselves in order to fit into a certain group. There are those that fit the label, then there are those that try and fit the label in order to belong...

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you're use of stereotype only enforces their use of it. no?

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Originally posted by morgana:
you've just proven my point...most straight edgers don't feel like they have to fit into a 'label', it's just a way of life for them. you really don't understand it. you belittle it by making it sound like a fashionistic movement.

as for my point of view, i don't see anything wrong with people who value their health and their minds over recreation. to me, it seems a little more intelligent than, say, sucking smoke into your lungs to cause an emotional response.

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ps morgana, i have only done weed twice, and never smoked, so if your last comment was meant to be an insult, it doesnt really apply to me. even if it did, at least im not basing my life on some guys lyrics

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THC is vaporised from hash or marijuana and carried air-born with carcinogenic particulates into the lungs, where it is absorbed and enters the bloodstream. Although this is its most common method of ingestion, it is far from the most efficient, since between 76 and 82 percent of the active acid is either incinerated, carried away in smoke or trapped in the body of the joint.

Cocaine is absorbed directly through the mucus membranes either orally, nasally or in some cases anally - short of intravenous application this method is the most efficient, hence snorting. Itself it is not smokable, leading to the appearance in the 80's of a smokable derivative form, crack cocaine - 'crack'.

Lacing marijuana with cocaine is an inefficient method of delivering the cocaine and almost entirely ineffectual. It is also financially foolish.

Lacing marijuana with crack would be effective, but anyone familiar with the action of THC would know immediately that something else had been added.

Any marijuana 'laced' with a white crystalline compound should be fairly easily identifiable with the naked eye.

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you take all the fun out of it by over analyzing . Why don't you just sit back and enjoy Don't presser anyone into your view, cause you may be just as wrong as they are. the simple fact is that that Weed is far safer than alcohol. People do not Die from "over doses" of weed, ever. It can't happen. Sure if you have a heart problem to begin with, maybe. After years and years of smoking it, you can die from lung cancer. It is highly doubtfull that it is cut with coke. the worse thing that can happen is you act stupid and eat too much. Or, God forbid; you think too much and get overly creative. Maybe, if you got some hydo; you have a little trip. Not common.
the effect of herb differs from person to person. So don't think you can say "it does this and this is why". Everyone has different chemistry. That means that: what it does to you doesn't mean it will do the same thing to someone else. It's personal experance. Some are made for it and some are not.

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Never threaten a stoner's weed, lest you want to hear a long ass slew of bullshit when they suddenly become a drug scientist with every fucking "fact" about pot known to man.

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