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New Abu Gharib Pictures

Only place I can find more than one at a time:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/14/183059/640

Though that's not all of them, by any stretch--this isn't the big chunk that still aren't being released to Americans. These are a handful that an Australian news program got their hands on.

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*shudder*
The one with the open wounds in the guy's lower back.

There's a big part of my brain screaming not to make any judgments until we've heard more about the pictures...but given that they show the same guy from other Abu Ghraib shots, and given what we already know about the incidents, waiting for more info seems almost pointless.

Note to government: if you don't want to inflame anti-US sentiment, then don't let your armed forces torture POWs. Complaining about the evidence of the torture being released is a pretty damned weak argument.

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I find the timing of the release of these photos extremely suspect given the current turmoil and violent protests within the world's most peaceful religion over some cartoons.

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Originally posted by Trenchant_Troll
I find the timing of the release of these photos extremely suspect given the current turmoil and violent protests within the world's most peaceful religion over some cartoons.

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Whoa, Simon. I am not excusing the underlying story these photos represent, simply the timing of their release (given they have "been around"). I similary question the British thrashing video release timing. I do believe the media knows how to create news events as well as report on them. It is their business and they like to keep it brisk.

There are a bunch more of these things kept secret that are going through the US courts to get released, TT. It's surprising that more of them haven't come out earlier on. These ones that have been released have presumably come from either people in the US government/military or in the Judicial system, but there has long been comments that the non-released photos (and videos) are much worse than what we've seen.

I guess that the timing makes it more newsworthy, but you have to be 100% sure that you're the only news organisation to have the evidence, to wait for an opportune time to release it. Otherwise, you'll get scooped.

The News of the World (that released the tape of the British soldiers beating up Iraqis), incidentally, is owned by Rupert Murdoch. His papers' choice of what to print might be driven by his politics and (more insidiously) his other business interests, but they do also know that they have to break some actual news as well (and then spin it, like most of the other papers do, too).

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Originally posted by Smug Git
There are a bunch more of these things kept secret that are going through the US courts to get released, TT. It's surprising that more of them haven't come out earlier on. These ones that have been released have presumably come from either people in the US government/military or in the Judicial system, but there has long been comments that the non-released photos (and videos) are much worse than what we've seen.

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Someone needs to explain to me why people that do heinous things that will surely get them screwed like to photograph, record, and video themselves doing them so much.

A good question. I would hypothesize that a person willing to torture helpless prisoners is not thinking rationally about their actions, but I suppose there are ample examples of psychopaths who carefully calculate how to avoid being caught.

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The logical implication is that there's probably more of it going on that wasn't recorded on camera.

I think it's a expression of the power arrangement at the time of the incident. I think it's possible that sadists live very much in the moment- the videotape is prhaps a way to get back into "the moment" later on: A sort of time machine, maybe. Being in that moment, when they are in control, and having access to it whenever they want are the primary considerations. To compound this, I think that having said moment of power, such individuals cannot imagine being stripped of it- so they don't, and thus do not consider the possible consequences of their actions.
or something.

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Originally posted by Smug Git
The logical implication is that there's probably more of it going on that wasn't recorded on camera.

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They'll be longing for the days of brutal beatings, sexual assaults and the risk of dying under the boots of National Guardsmen from Cleft Palate, WV, before they know it.

Worse yet, the offenders can't even spell 'rapist'.

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I beg of you most merciful Allah to continue the agitprop campaign that has already begun to claim the lives of your followers and to further inflame the hatred in their hearts for the infidels of this planet by causing greater outrage amongst the faithful in your service until the disputes of men reach a crescendo in which you reclaim all of your children, at once, through the hand of the Great Satan and his war machine and upon gathering your flock do then leave the white man alone on this mortal coil, cut from your sight forever. Allah willing it shall be so!

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Originally posted by loser
I think it's a expression of the power arrangement at the time of the incident. I think it's possible that sadists live very much in the moment- the videotape is prhaps a way to get back into "the moment" later on: A sort of time machine, maybe. Being in that moment, when they are in control, and having access to it whenever they want are the primary considerations. To compound this, I think that having said moment of power, such individuals cannot imagine being stripped of it- so they don't, and thus do not consider the possible consequences of their actions.
or something.

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maybe.

I imagine the neighbours would be impressed by that slide show.

"Honey, I think the Bedfords need more crackers. And some beers too."
"Oh dear, he always spoils his guests during his "Iraq on Tour" show. He gets so excited."
"Honey, I MEANT NOW! You want me to get the dog? Feces and hoods, sweetheart."
"No, that's unneccesary dear. I'll make some sandwiches."
"I said crackers."
"That's right. I forgot. My my, what a silly prisoner I am sometimes."

Buncha new ones at www.salon.com.

If Iraqi insurgents were to destroy Abu Gharib and murder every last guard and official, I would call it nothing but justice. Where this stuff is concerned, there can be no question that the terrorists are us.

Okay, maybe that was a little over the top.

I blame my blood sugar.

Abu Gharib still rides the purple pony.

It's Abu Ghraib.

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Originally posted by CHiPsJr
Abu Gharib still rides the purple pony.

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Originally posted by 3MTA3
until the disputes of men reach a crescendo

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Originally posted by Trenchant_Troll
I find the timing of the release of these photos extremely suspect given the current turmoil and violent protests within the world's most peaceful religion over some cartoons.

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