quote:Originally posted by bacidath and there is this
IRS official in charge of scrutinizing political groups now heads agency's role in 'Obamacare'
This is good news actually.
Because health care providers will be looked under a microscope to ensure they are following the guidelines. Not overcharging. Giving refunds. Cap in their profit margins.
In other words,there would actually be a limit on how much we will be charged.
And hopefully that will translate to affordable care.
I hope.
quote:Originally posted by gundamgarrett So everybody that doesn't agree with you is a complete idiot? I am not a tea partier, but there were doctors and lawyers and accountants in the tea party, your telling me that those people cant fill out some fucking paperwork?
I don't think people that have different views than mine are complete idiots.
And yes. I stand behind the fact that these people...okay. Maybe ignorant is a better word. Ignorance to what tax breaks they think they can get away with.
When brilliant billionaires have been getting away with hiding money in off shore accounts it's not outside of reality to think they will try to get away with everything.
quote:Originally posted by Large Filipino This is good news actually.
Because health care providers will be looked under a microscope to ensure they are following the guidelines. Not overcharging. Giving refunds. Cap in their profit margins.
In other words,there would actually be a limit on how much we will be charged.
And hopefully that will translate to affordable care.
I hope.
in a nutshell, large employers are able to offer "health care" packages that don't include either hospitalization or surgery bennies. not small to medium sized businesses, but the walmarts and mcdonald's of the world.
quote:Originally posted by Mister Freign wait wait wait:
it's starting to seem like the GOP might not be on the up&up…?
FTFY
White House learned of IRS inquiry last month; Issa informed in mid-2012
In more news from Scandalnavia, the place from whence all Obama scandals come:
The chief White House lawyer, Kathryn Ruemmler, learned last month that a Treasury inspector general had concluded an audit of the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative groups, weeks before the matter became public, according to a senior White House official.
Whoa! She learned about it weeks beforehand! If that's not a scandal, then what is? I mean, during those weeks, the administration easily could have ... wait. Hold on, what exactly could it have done? I mean, the stuff that was being investigated started in 2010 and ended in 2012. So time was not of the essence. And the White House couldn't very well have released the IG report any earlier ... because it wasn't yet complete. So, this seems like another Scandalnavian nothingburger.
But if you disagree and think this is a huge deal, then consider this fact:
The Treasury Department Inspector General for Tax Administration sent a letter to Congressman Darrell Issa and Congressman Jim Jordan on July 12, 2012 informing them they would be auditing the IRS in response to their concerns that certain groups might be receiving extra scrutiny. The letter came in response to a June 28th letter of that year from Congressman Issa and requests for an investigation.
The letter states that after meeting with the staff of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which Issa chairs, the IG Office of Audit began work on the issue. The IG offered in the letter to provide a status update to the staff of the committee throughout the investigation as well as provide copies of interim and final reports.
So to all those Republicans who say that Obama was obviously covering up the IRS scandal in 2012 in order to steal the election from Mitt Romney, the rightful heir to the presidency, I have just one question: what do Darrell Issa and Jim Jordan have against Willard?
So to recap: Issa and the GOP learned about the IRS "scandal" last year, but kept their mouths shut about it until now....only opening it coincidentally after their Benghazi derangement failed to gain any traction.
Yes, the IRS did wrong, but when it comes to tax exempt status by political groups....
Somewhat lost in the furor over the disclosure is that very few liberal organizations appear to have been approved either. There is no evidence that groups with words like "progressive" or "Democratic" were targeted. But the numbers do suggest that the universe of nonprofit political organizations is small, and that liberal groups were not approved in droves while conservative ones were subject to endless bureaucratic rigmarole.
GOP scandal-mongering making Obama more popular, GOP most unpopular in CNN polling history
The media and Republicans may be screeching about President Barack Obama's scandals, but the American people are seeing through the bullshit.
CNN reported on Sunday that 53% of people questioned in the survey said they approve of the job the president is doing, with 45% saying they disapprove. The president's approval rating was at 51% in CNN's previous poll, from early April. The two point rise was well within the survey's sampling error.
The new numbers indicate that Obama remains popular, with 79% of Americans saying the president is likable.
But it's not just Obama. The Democratic Party went from a 46-48 favorable-unfavorable rating a month ago, to 52-43 in this latest poll. That's a net gain of 11 points.
As for impeachment-screeching Republicans? They're DOWN a net eight points from 38-54 a month ago, to 35-59 this week.
It turns out that:
* The American people just don't think that it's the worst scandal since Watergate that Obama called the Benghazi consulate attack an "act of terror" as opposed to a "terrorist attack".
* The American people just don't care that the IRS spent extra time looking at the applications of political groups—none of which had their applications rejected, mind you. (Well, except for that one liberal group.)
* The American people can't be bothered to care that some reporters were spied on, after the GOP spent the last decade pushing for increased wiretapping powers in the name of "national security". This is exactly what Republicans wanted. No one believes they're really that outraged about it now.
So after the president's supposed worst week ever, with Republicans jumping in glee at the scandals, we find that the president's popularity has inched up, the Democratic Party's popularity is significantly up, and Republicans, at 59 percent unfavorable, are at their highest unpopularity level since CNN started polling the question in 1992.
True, you can take poll results just so far, but it does indicate that the American public doesn't give a shit about Republican claims of Obama "scandals".
in a nutshell, large employers are able to offer "health care" packages that don't include either hospitalization or surgery bennies. not small to medium sized businesses, but the walmarts and mcdonald's of the world.
so...are you lovin' it now?
Until we recognize that an employer sponsored health care plan is an entitlement we will never get that an individual cannot afford health care on their own.
When you actually have health care what does it matter if your employer is paying for it or if your government is paying for it?
It is what it is.
Health care is only affordable to a small percentage of Americans if we had no other help.
And we are completely blind to this realization it seems.
Employer sponsored health care is not an entitlement, it is an incentive, In most cases the best workers have a choice between multiple jobs, so offering a good benefit package is the best way to get the best employees, It is not an entitlement, it is part of their wages, to say otherwise is simply wrong.
He's (Obama) the President of Hate. He has magically allowed the blue monkeys to embrace hatred, to feel proud of it, to murder, to conquer. They never would have been able to take this step without him.
**Freign**
Republicans’ Hatred of Obama Blinds Them to Public Disinterest in Scandals Republicans are so focused on their bitter battles against Obama, they can’t see how little impact the “scandals” have had on public opinion.
By Charlie Cook
Updated: May 21, 2013 | 7:55 a.m.
May 20, 2013 | 6:00 p.m.
Red-faced Republicans, circling and preparing to pounce on a second-term Democratic president they loathe, do not respect, and certainly do not fear. Sound familiar? Perhaps reminiscent of Bill Clinton’s second term, after the Monica Lewinsky story broke? During that time, Republicans became so consumed by their hatred of Clinton and their conviction that this event would bring him down that they convinced themselves the rest of the country was just as outraged by his behavior as they were. By the way, what was Clinton’s lowest Gallup job-approval rating in his second term, throughout the travails of investigations and impeachment? It was 53 percent. The conservative echo machine had worked itself into such a frenzy, the GOP didn’t realize that the outrage was largely confined to the ranks of those who never voted for Clinton anyway.
These days, the country is even more polarized, and the conservative echo chamber is louder than ever before. Many conservatives made it all the way to Election Day last November unaware that their White House nominee was falling short. How could Mitt Romney possibly lose when everyone they knew was voting for him? Except that he did lose, and it wasn’t even a very close race. Five other post-World War II presidential elections had closer outcomes.
The simple fact is that although the Republican sharks are circling, at least so far, there isn’t a trace of blood in the water. A new CNN/ORC survey of 923 Americans this past Friday and Saturday, May 17-18, pegged Obama’s job-approval rating at 53 percent, up a statistically insignificant 2 points since their last poll, April 5-7, which was taken before the Benghazi, IRS, and AP-wiretap stories came to dominate the news and congressional hearing rooms. His disapproval rating was down 2 points since that last survey.
In Gallup’s tracking poll, Obama’s average job-approval rating so far this year is 50 percent. For this past week, May 13-19, his average was 49 percent, the same as the week before. The most recent three-day moving average, through Sunday, May 19, was also 49 percent. Over the past two weeks, even as these three stories/scandals have dominated the news, they have had precisely zero effect on the president’s job-approval numbers. His ratings are still bouncing around in the same narrow range they have been for weeks.
Maybe that will change. Maybe these allegations will start getting traction with voters. But it might just be that Americans are more focused on an economy that is gradually coming out of the longest and deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression. Most economists say the current quarter will show a slowdown in economic growth from the first quarter’s 2.5 percent pace, but they expect the economy to be stronger in the second half of this year. People may be encouraged by housing prices rising and the stock market setting record highs—and their retirement accounts may actually be looking better. The University of Michigan’s widely watched Consumer Sentiment Index is at the highest level since 2007, before the recession. The Conference Board’s more volatile Consumer Confidence Index is also generally moving up, although it isn’t at the record level of the Michigan index. The National Federation of Independent Business’s Index of Small Business Optimism, which took a deep plunge after the election, increased last month and is on an upward trend since the beginning of the year. Maybe the people and businesses polled have written off Washington as a political cesspool, and so these stories don’t affect them much. Perhaps they see this town as a place that can’t seem to get anything right.
One wonders how long Republicans are going to bark up this tree, perhaps the wrong tree, while they ignore their own party’s problems, which were shown to be profound in the most recent elections. Clearly none of these recent issues has had a real impact on voters yet. Republicans seem to be betting everything on them, just as they did in 1998—about which even Newt Gingrich (who was House speaker that year) commented recently to NPR, “I think we overreached in ’98.”
Republicans and conservatives who are so consumed by these “scandals” should ask themselves why, despite wall-to-wall media attention and the constant focus inside the Beltway—some are even talking about grounds for impeachment—Obama’s job-approval needle hasn’t moved. The CNN/ORC poll suggests that people are aware of and watching the news, but they aren’t reacting, at least not yet. Clearly Republicans hope the public will begin to respond. But at what point do they decide that maybe voters might be more interested in other issues or worries than about politicians on one side pointing fingers and throwing allegations at those on the other side? At what point might the GOP conclude that it is just digging the hole a little deeper?
instead of posting shit about the elephants how about posting something that actually supports your position... without the namecalling without snark... then maybe
enough of the avert and redirection argument tactics ...
stand on your spike mark
get to the fucking point
dont shift blame
it's impossible to ignore the deja vu of this shit during the reign of W; the headless-chicken spume of acrimony whenever confronted with serious charges, the unwillingness of pro-ruler boosters to regard simple reality, the endless return to false dichotomies of "yeah but the other team" and "how could you".
I suppose there is a certain comfort in being shown incontrovertible demonstrations every fuckin' day that Blue neofascism enjoys no more progressive quality than Red feudalism.
Both are fucked. Mewling about the opposing team of evil fucks in no way ennobles nor excuses mr Obama, just as the GOP's shenanigans did not mitigate the horror of Clinton's attacks on the nation in any way.
It's interesting to me that, for all the bellyaching Blues did during W, the DNC displayed aggressively pointed apathy toward anything but furthering W's abuses once in power. If you hate the GOP so much, Blue - why do you forgive Obama? Defend him? He's done more to advance the GOPs stated agenda than anyone else could ever have done. He's the ultimate corporatist swine, the stereotypical american toady to fatcats, the best eliminator of checks on supreme executive power in USA's history.
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