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Koliedrus
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It's been suggested that a multinational police force will benefit the goals of humanity as a whole. Some say that the effort has "Black Project" properties and will only serve to limit freedom.
I begin this thread with a question:
Is INTERPOL detrimental of beneficial to the future of humanity?
Look here: http://www.interpol.int/ for background information and use your talents to analyze.
Little Brother is watching...
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Smug Git
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If you want it to be possible for people not to escape justice by simply crossing a border, you need cooperation between police forces. Integration will improve the efficiency of this, but we don't want to be integrating our whole police force, only enough to allow the international cooperation. In my mind, this is how interpol exists. But like all the tools of law and order, it can be misused to oppress too. No one want professional criminals to get away with it though, so I imagine that something like this is necessary; it won't only serve to limit freedom anyway.
I read something once by a paedophile saying that the law, through the police, limited his freedom. He was right, of course, laws do that. Thank God. Just not too far one hopes.
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That is what extradition is for.
Country A asks Country B to send the villian over. If Country B refuses Country A is fucked but rid of the criminal.
Interpol just gives governments the ability to reel in political dissidents from other countries through manufactured evidence so they can make an example out of them.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dog Breath
That is what extradition is for.
Country A asks Country B to send the villian over. If Country B refuses Country A is fucked but rid of the criminal.
So let Afghanistan keep OBL? (not relevant to my argument to follow, but 'country A is fucked but rid of the criminal' is not good enough if they are living the high life on the proceeds of crime)
Extradition is all part of what interpol does, it is not allowed to bypass it as that is illegal. But, you won't be able to extradite someone unless you know that they are there. And interpol will do that, track someone as they cross borders, find them if they are in a member country and also ensure that if someone is arrested for a crime in one country that the police forces of other countries can see if he has comitted crimes in theirs (like the prime suspect in the rape and murder of a british schoolgirl in France being arrested for something else in the US and is now being taken back to France for trial). Without Interpol, there wouldn't be many extraditions at all (hardly any) as your police force is not able to operate in my country, vice versa and so on for all other countries. Cooperation between police forces is needed if it is to be difficult to escape the law.
The US wants to slow the flow of cocaine from Columbia too. This requires international police cooperation, intelligence sharing etc. Interpol allows Europena police forces to track drug trafficking across national borders.
So I think it's a good thing as long as it has checks and balances, just like any other police force.
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Country A is free to use any legal means to resolve a refusal to extridite.
Sanctions, Prisoner exchanges, etc... Yes even a legaly declared war.
No intermediary is needed for above board extraditions.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dog Breath
Country A is free to use any legal means to resolve a refusal to extridite.
Sanctions, Prisoner exchanges, etc... Yes even a legaly declared war.
No intermediary is needed for above board extraditions.
How will country A even know that the criminal is there? Country B has to help by being on the look out for them. That is what interpol does, nothing more exciting, it shares information. It is not a police force itself. I guess that interpol means something like 'between police'.
Interpol isn't an intermediary in extradition, its role stops once they are in custody, extradition hearings take over then. Someone cannot be given up for political persuction, not from UK courts anyway; interpol has no decision making capacity over extradition, they can only detect someone and get someone with arrest powers (i.e., the local police) to arrest that person so that they can allow country A to start extradition proceddings through the courts of country B. Whether they succeed is nothing to do with interpol, only to do with the lawyers for country A and the laws of country B regarding extradition.
No way would I let the garlic-munchers, say, bring their gendarmes into my country nor do we have any interest in allowing others to persecute their political opponents either (perhaps why our shores are the target for so many asylum seekers).
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Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with Smug here.
I'm fairly conservative when it comes to international bodies, and fairly liberal when it comes to criminal justice, but even I would be hard pressed to show why Interpool was a BAD thing.
It's nothing more than a voluntary coordination of member nation's police forces. Just a streamlining of a process that would be very cumbersome without it.
But I'd be interested in hearing anybody try and explain WHY it was a bad thing, besides what Dog Breath is saying that we could do it ourselves a lot more ineffeciently.
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Dog Breath
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Backpeddaling music playing.
OK I'm a dumb ass.
I thought interpol was some international police force that had international jurisdiction like some big FBI whom actually carried out actual arrests and prisoner transfers.
*Slaps head*
So I guess it isn't like in the movies where the guy in a black suit flashes an interpol badge like James Bond?
Thanks for clearing that up. 
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They do have Interpol field agents, but I'm not quite sure what they do.
Smug?
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quote:
Originally posted by Paint CHiPs
They do have Interpol field agents, but I'm not quite sure what they do.
Smug?
I think that they are seconded or detached from member police forces. I think that they will only have powers of arrest in their original country though. From this page, on the interpol site that Kol linked:
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Respect for national sovereignty
Co-operation is based on actions taken by the police forces in the various Member States, operating within their own national boundaries and in accordance with their own national laws.
The site is all about the gathering and sharing of information as far as I can see. It is incredibly fucking boring however. Which is odd, because policemen are normally so much fun.
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