Alaskan psychopath humps reindeer--calls it "a wild ride!"

What do you guys think of this grizzly tale? http://news.excite.com/news/r/01050...ime-stabbing-dc

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Tease.

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Why did they use rubber bullets?

DM

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Well, they used rubber bullets so that they could be executive rather than judicial--see only judges have the right to sentence a person to death, unless it is in self defense. As he had already commited the crime, there was no critical need to kill him. Besides, he's clearly insane, which would seem to fit with his religious fundamentalism. It's hard to argue that he "deserves" to die, as he's probably not even really sane.
And one thing I wanted to bring up. Yes I know this man is sick and I feel for the children. But..I have to admit that his courtroom behavior is some of the most hilarious stuff I've ever read. "Kill yourselves, then the children..." WOW, how I'd pay to have this on video tape. This is great stuff. And NO I am not saying it was good that he hurt those kids!!! Just to be clear about that.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure he deserved real lead.

Prolly used the rubber bullets because they were shooting on school grounds.

DM

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I can't talk sense to a rock, sorry.
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Kuglo, I see you were in foster care, I was too, you probably knew a lot of people who had really shitty lives and had mental problems who still managed to be pretty good people.
I knew quite a few. There is no excuse for this kind of person as far as I’m concerned; he chose to be a shit bag for what ever reason, chemical imbalance? pfft, doesn’t give him an excuse imo. We all have chemicals that make up our behavior, rapists, pedophiles, bullies, bad parents…. what ever. We all have to put efforts into being good people - fuck him.


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If a cop sees a guy stabbing kids in the neck I think he is well within his rights to use deadly force. The positive side is that nobody has to worry about this guy anymore.

Maybe you are arguing from the point of view of a guy that wanted to stab people recently. Of course they just called you a 'faggot' but they deserved revenge justice, right?

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Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man.

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The brains of most people work well enough so as to be able to function within certain bounds, even through a really hard fucked-up life like you or I might have had (go by levels, clear by levers, chore people clear first, go to your seat not the counter..oh INSTITUTIONAL FLASHBACK..oops..). But the brain is an extremely complex chemical reaction, and certain disorders can cause disasterous results. It's not even about a human mind anymore in some cases; it's a disarray of random images and hallucinogens with no order. I mean, try to think how you'd deal with life if you were seeing imaginary people with the same clarity as real ones..and say some government agents gave you a gun and told you that someone would be coming for you and described him. Then you saw him and you had the gun and you did what you tought you were supposed to do--but you'd only imagined that scenario, and it was your neighbor getting out of his car coming home from work. Everyone tells you that you deserve to die and you have no idea what's even going on. I think you are seeing the world based on your own functioning brain. Imagine opening up the self-guidance system on a "smart" missile and swapping some chips or pouring some lemonade one it, and expecting it to hit its target. People talk about human choice, but human choice is just complex chemical reactions that lead to algorithmic behavior that we call "intelligence". And if a brain is fundamentally broken, it's a whole different ball game.
My second point was that, even for someone who is aware, what good does it really do to kill that person? It might scare others from doing the same crime..IF we televised executions, but plenty of people commit crimes with no thought of the punishment at the time. And killing that person might keep it off the streets, but so would locking it up for life. I'm just pointing out that blind justice is just rooted in emotion, and in a big way this type of justice is rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics which began these mores long ago.

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". It's not even about a human mind anymore in some cases"

Well then we can treat them like any other animal that jumps on a child and mauls them.
I feel no pity for these people Kuglo, maybe you can find a job opportunity helping these people, my job (for the most part) will be keeping my kids safe from them.


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Court records indicate suspect Jason Pritchard had talked for years about killing children before Monday's attack.

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Originally posted by DevilMoon:
The positive side is that nobody has to worry about this guy anymore.


dm

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I'm actually with Kuglo 100% here.

I have no problem with cops smoking him if he's running around a playground with a knife slashing throats. So I don't know the circumstances of the arrest, and can't really comment on the use of rubber bullets in that instance. I would suspect that whoever said they used rubber bullets because the guy was surrounded by dozens of little fucking kids was likely accurate. You're all for saving the children, but you think they should have opened fire on the guy with children a few feet away? That sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

What I agree with Kuglo is that vengence should not be a judicial concept IMO. Anger should not factor into sentencing. That's just IN GENERAL, not even as applied specifically to this case. Obviously what the person did was inexcusable and wrong to the core, but what good does killing him do? Support mob rule? If you want to protect the children that's fine, lock him up for life. This guy isn't going anywhere. Do you honestly think other acute schitzophrenics are going to be factoring in this precedent when they masturbate in their own feces before killing their neighbor with an ice pick because God was channeled through his dog and told him to do it? So what good is it? This person is sick. He has an illness. He is severely fucked in the head. He is not "evil"; right or wrong does not factor into it in his mind. He is a sick man. I'm not saying treat him for a few years and release him. He has obviously proven he can't be trusted to function in society, and with a crime of this magnitude he can never be trusted again until the day he dies. But the first impulse of "kill the fucker! Make him suffer!" bothers me. It serves no purpose save blind vengence.

Perhaps locking him away and giving him psychological treatment for life would aid the cause a lot more. Study him, figure out what the fuck is wrong with him and what, if anything, can be done about it. Make him a case study, gain information on how you can better detect these people, treat them before they go that far down the road, possibly gain insight into how to prevent this sort of thing. The more we know about things like this, the better aided we are in preventing it, and less little fucking children have to die in the future because of it.

If we simply killed every animal who went rabid and then burned the bodies, we would probably have a pretty piss poor understanding of "rabies" right now, and a lot more animals would be going rabid.

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Isn't anyone who kills anyone obviously mentally fucked up though?

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I guess we just have to close all the schools.
Do it for the children.

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Originally posted by euphorbia:
I guess we just have to close all the schools.
Do it for the children.

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Paint has had carnal knowledge with Kuglo so his little act of bonding over letting some twisted piece of shit live for the rest of his unnatural life at the expense of the taxpayer would be expected.
When someone goes off like that, you get a rope, find a tree...

There are a lot of illnesses and disorders that people have that I think serious effort should be put into curing.
Mad dogs are mad dogs and will occasionally pop up. When they do, you shoot them so as to minimize their ability to harm.

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woot

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Originally posted by wonderaz:
Paint has had carnal knowledge with Kuglo so his little act of bonding over letting some twisted piece of shit live for the rest of his unnatural life at the expense of the taxpayer would be expected.
When someone goes off like that, you get a rope, find a tree...

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OK, can we study the shit bag for a few weeks, THEN shoot him?

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Do you not believe in appeals? In the criminal justice system? Innocent until proven guilty? Any of that? Are you going to second guess the motivations behind the entire criminal justice system and the Constitution on which it was based?

Do I get to answer?



No.
Thats my final answer...do I win something?



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Originally posted by euphorbia:

Do I get to answer?



No.
Thats my final answer...do I win something?

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Originally posted by Paint CHiPs:
Hehehehe. Kinda figured you'd say that.

So how would you work the whole criminal justice thing?

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hehehehe...wouldn’t you like to know.....this thread will hit 200 posts in no time..hehehe
Maybe that would be a good subject to start a thread with.

Ill just say its a whole lot easier today to be sure of guilt than just a short time ago. Once reasonable doubt is removed punishment should be swift and harsh. But then I don’t think some things people are in jail for right now should be illegal. Prostitution should be legal, and so should drugs. But in my opinion (which is very popular around here) if you choose to be a drug user and become an addict, you shouldn’t get state sponsored health care and should be put on mandatory birth control, one little shot lasts 3 months these days. Of course if I all of a sudden found myself in charge of law and punishment in these here United States (that though just made a couple people ill) I would consult with people a lot more knowledgeable in these matters than myself...no dirty hippies though.


I think power should lie with in states for a lot of things...that way Americans could always have the freedom to move to a state that suits their ideals better and offers them their vision of the American dream.



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If you folks would take a few minutes to come in from being out on the porch, put away your straw hats and overalls, and your shot-guns, for just one moment, and THINK maybe you'd see the logic behind what paint has been saying.
Maybe in that school situation, if he had actually been still going after some one, to prevent it, there might have been some sense to shooting him dead if necessary. But the point is, at the time they caught him he had already done the dirtywork and was cornered by several staff members. The point is that deadly force isn't something you use if it's not necessary. No one is saying that, had he been about to slay another, the cops shouldn't have taken deadly force. The rubber bullets certainly had something to do with the saftey of the children as well, but that's another issue.
I can't remember who said this, but it was something like "You can tell a lot of a society by the way it treats its criminals." People do bad things, and we feel better when we harm them, but again, that doesn't mean it's beneficial for society to harm them. It's like, say you are watching TV and the tube starts going out and everything gets fuzzy; would it make sense to beat the TV down with a sledgehammer? Now think about a human who actually has feelings--it'd be even more evil. We like to talk about human personal choice, but just because a person chooses to do something wrong, unlike a TV, how does that make the pure rage wrought against it any more poignant? We are a nation of barbarians if we so enjoy to see real pain brought to real people purely for the gratification aspect of it.
Someone made the comment that if a person starts to act like an animal then we should treat him like one. Well I'll be the first to admit, I don't think violence against "lower" animals makes any more sense than to humans, for the most part. I wouldn't shoot a rabid dog if it was in control and not a threat (like in a jail cell). I might put it to sleep humanely if I had to. But acting violently against a being because of an illness is like punching a kid because he has strep throat--it's archaic and 100% moronic.
About this "carnal" knowledge, it's funny, but not approapriate for a serious context like this in which we are talking about "meaningful" issues. Save it for the humor Topics or something...

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"If you folks would take a few minutes to come in from being out on the porch, put away your straw hats and overalls, and your shot-guns, for just one moment, and THINK maybe you'd see the logic behind what paint has been saying.

Well I recon we jus dont see eye ta eye on this one city slicker. Now cut out all that there hooha...grandpa ran over a opossum today and wesa eaten stew tonight....AAHHHAAA....now help me polish up the old eatin utensils.

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